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bapple
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Does 300BLK come in non-AR format?

NM, i see that it does.



It does but it would be impractical to not buy it in an AR platform. That way you already have an AR lower and you can buy multiple uppers. Man I love advising others to spend a ton of money...

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I would vote as oleyeller...7m-08 with reduced recoil corelokts.


+1

.260 Remington is also good. All share the same 308 parent case.

Here's how they stack up:

.308 Win = .308" bullet (7.62mm)
7mm-08 = 7mm bullet
.260 Remington = .264" (6.5mm)
.243 Win = .244" (6mm)

So the heavier you go, the more felt recoil you are likely to feel. But a faster bullet is more likely to fragment, so choose 243 ammo carefully if you choose that one. I killed my first deer with my dad's 260 FWIW.






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Raz4back
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i just got my boys some of those Rossi combos with the .22/.410...thinking about purchasing the additional .243 so they can use them for deer...any thoughts on those from the OB?


That's what my nephew has. It shoots 1.5" groups at 100 yards with the .243. He killed a doe @150yds with it last year.






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Rayvegas1484
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Little vegas is currently shooting a h&r 7mmO8 . It will be passed down to his little brother next year so im in the process of looking for another myself . I know browning makes a micro x bolt but itll run about 899 . The 700 is about 550-640 . Savge makes a 270 youth for about 400 bucks and thats the way im leaning . I have a browning 270 and he can drive tacks with it





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TigerOnThe Hill
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WRS,

While there are lots of hunters who are fans of using 243s and 22 caliber center fires for youth hunters, I'm not one of them. I read a lot about extremely deadly shots made w/ smaller rounds, but every now and then there'll be an unexpected disappointing result. I think larger rounds are more consistent and a little more forgiving w/ shot placement (no one makes a good shot every time).

The 300 BlackOut, 300/221 or 300 Whisper would be a great youth gun. Originally I intended to buy my son a 300/221 in a Contender carbine when he started deer hunting, but that didn't work out. W/ the BO, you're basically getting 30-30 performance but w/ less recoil

If you don't get the 300 BO, my personal rec is to get a 260 Rem, 7-08 Rem or 308 Win and start your son(s) out on reduced recoil loads. A reduced recoil 308 Win actually recoils less than a full power 243 Win. When my son started hunting at 10 y/o I bought him a full size Savage bolt action (308 Win) package gun w/ regular stock. Started out w/ reduced recoil loads that I handloaded. He's done fine w/ this gun. Whatever you buy, use reduced recoil loads. At the bench, consider a sandbag between shoulder and butt of gun and use both plugs and muffs. Sure, he won't notice the recoil in the field, but if he develops bad habits in practice, it will carry over to the field and probably result in a flinch (no matter how big he may be).

No personal experience w/ the H&R or Rossi crack barrels. From reading on the 'net, quality control seem to be either hit or miss. One of my friends (who's an accomplished shooter and handloader) has one; he gave up on over getting it to shoot better than 2" groups at 100 yds. He'll prolly get more lifetime use w/ a bolt action than the Rossi.







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Eon Blue
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I started with a browning BAR 243 and never had any problems with shooting or recoil at 5 yrs old. Awesome caliber for a youngster.





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hunt66
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My vote is 7mm-08. My son grew up with it and still shoots it as a young man. We have never lost a deer with it and farthest track was 50 yds about a week ago. Moving buck and he shot a little high but excellent blood trail. Lot of load options as well. Shot placement is key with anything so get them comfortable with it. Great caliber IMO. Search this topic - several recent threads. Start slow, focus on safety and make it fun for them. Good luck.





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Nascar Fan
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.308





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ShowMeWhatYouGotRaji
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Save your money and skip the Rossi. For a starter rifle my 3 boys (5yrs, 3yrs and 6mo) will be using the Henry Big Boy .357 lever action. That is what i recommend for young'uns to start with.

They will learn to shoot iron sights and get bigger before they get a scoped rifle (each of the 3 has a rifle/scope combo already waiting for them in the gun safe)






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WRedmondsStang
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thanks for all the advice and ideas guys. My wife has a Rem Model 7 7mm-08m, I may be best off getting some reduced recoil loads for her gun. It is small gun with a short stock anyway(may even be a youth stock).

I also have a Rem Model 700 6mm that I shoot and could always go reduced recoil on it as well.

Problem now is, I just want to buy another gun anyway-haha Would love another 6mm but they are high as giraffe pudding, same with 25-06.

Could add a second 7mm-08 to the arsenal, or diversify and get a .308.






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ShowMeWhatYouGotRaji
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My next rifle will be an AR-10. I've wanted a .308 forever. Something magical about a 168grain bullet coming out of a .308.

I've been saving for a long time so I can go full tard on the glass when I get the AR-10.






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offshoretrash
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30-378 Weatherby magnum. Really shines on those close up shots.





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bapple
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My next rifle will be an AR-10


Ruger SR762?






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SportTiger1
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30-378 Weatherby magnum. Really shines on those close up shots.



Need slo-mo please.



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ShowMeWhatYouGotRaji
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Bapple,

Undecided on make and model. Considering doing a build instead of a pre-assembled one.

I will have the fixed stock (A2) style, but am undecided on barrel length. You think 18" is enough or should I go to 24"?

Rifle will be used for deer hunting where longest shot is ~300 yards, but my buddy has a "range" where we can back out as far as we want. I've always wanted to get myself competent (and confident) at 500+ yard shots.



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Manatee
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I have the Rossi combo and would not waste my money again. Highly un accurate is putting it mildly. I bought a Tikka 3 light in 7mm08 and love it, dead on accuracy. My son who is now 10 has taken 4 deer and one >200 lb hog starting at age 7 and he has zero issue with recoil and he is not a bruiser size kid. If you want to do it right get a Trjicon scope and your child will have a lifetime deer rifle. Another note the 7mm08 has same balistics out to 200 yds as 270.





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WRedmondsStang
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Finally made a purchase last night! Went with Savage 11 7mm-08 with Nikon in youth stock for $479 and free shipping. Added a lifetime warranty for $23.95. Currently have 1 box of Rem Managed Recoils, will be adding a couple more to have for my boys through the years.

Any suggetions on suggested ammo i should use for barrel break in. Suprisingly, I have found managed recoils are few dollars cheaper than standard Rem loads, yet harder to find. I will probabaly break in with standards due to availability.

The gun hunt has been fun, thanks again for all who made suggestions!






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LouisianaChessie
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Serious question. Why would you want a .300 blackout over let's say a 30-30 for regular deer hunting.





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The Silverback
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Sugar Land, TX
Member since May 2013
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A remington 700 with a 3-9 Leupold, can't go wrong with that. Not the cheapest option for starters, but you want a quality rifle that will last (but of course you have to clean it and take care of it)





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CHEDBALLZ
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Good choice........

No thoyghts either way on the ammo other than to tell you to get as many different types as ammo as you can shot. Some bullets shoot better than others in certain guns.






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TigerOnThe Hill
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Why would you want a .300 blackout over let's say a 30-30 for regular deer hunting.

Ballistically they're pretty similar. But the 300 BO will have considerably less recoil (less powder and lighter bullets), uses spitzer bullets and is available in bolt action and AR's whereas the 30-30 is pretty much lever action only.







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