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Supreme Court puts gay marriage on hold in Utah
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:38 am
Just saw this tweeted, although i didn't know any such big case was before them. don't really know any background yet.
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ETA: Found THIS from Salt Lake Tribune
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BREAKING: Supreme Court puts gay marriage on hold in Utah.
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ETA: Found THIS from Salt Lake Tribune
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A decision by U.S. District Court Judge Robert J. Shelby is the "starting point for resolution" of Utah’s right to define marriage, the state said in a reply filed Monday with the U.S. Supreme Court.
Until the "recurring" question of whether the U.S. Constitution requires recognition of such same-sex marriages is resolved, Utah should not be forced to license, perform and recognize such marriages during the interim, it says.
The state said attorneys for three same-sex couples who successfully challenged Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage "quibble around the edges" and fail to offer any persuasive rebuttal to the state’s argument that Shelby’s Dec. 20 order should be stayed while it appeals the ruling.
The plaintiffs filed their brief before the U.S. Supreme Court on Friday.
Utah’s stay application is being reviewing by Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who is assigned to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.
The Tribune will continue to update this story.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 9:45 am
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Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:40 am to 90proofprofessional
Good. 
Sotomeyer (sp?) responsible for this?
Sotomeyer (sp?) responsible for this?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:40 am to 90proofprofessional
you had to go and ruin Toddy's day, didn't you
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:41 am to TrueTiger
I didn't know Toddy lives in Utah.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:43 am to 90proofprofessional
This ruling won't effect me in any way. I have only known a few Mormons outside of the missionaries and they didn't practice the religion, and I have no plans of accepting a invite by Toddy to a social event in the near future.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:44 am to EST
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I didn't know Toddy lives in Utah.
judging by his excited reporting every time a state allows same sex marriage, I'd guess that he lived in every state.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:44 am to 90proofprofessional
I bet there are a shite ton of "in the closet" Mormons up there
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:56 am to SuperSaint
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I bet there are a shite ton of "in the closet" Mormons up there
A gay bar named Smith & Brigham would be awesome there
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:59 am to TrueTiger
Toddy and Ballcatcher will be here soon. 
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:01 am to Jbird
What does this mean for any licenses already given?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:50 am to 90proofprofessional
While this is disappointing, this is not a surprise at all. Frankly, I would have been astonished if they had not issued a stay.
This is Prop 8 all over again. Remember, the federal judge and the Ninth Circuit both issued stays after their rulings striking down Prop 8. The Utah AG fricked this up as he hadn't already requested a stay if the Shelby found Amendment 3 unconstitutional. There was no stay to put in place because the Utah AG had not requested one prior to the ruling. It is surprising (and possibly quite telling) that the Tenth Circuit refused to issue one though.
The Tenth Circuit could very well affirm the ruling striking down Amendment 3. And the SCOTUS could very well decline to hear the appeal reinstating marriage equality in Utah. If they decline to take the Utah case, they will probably take one in the next few years though. There are currently 31 cases in 17 states working their way up through the courts. I predict more rulings similar to Shelby's who used the DOMA ruling as justification for striking down the gay marriage ban.
The SCOTUS is not going to say it's illegal for the federal government to discriminate against gay people but then say the states can do this. The gist of Shelby's ruling was that individual rights trump states rights when the two clash.
At least that crazy Mormon politician who has been starving himself since Shelby's ruling can eat again. I've been getting worried about him. He claims he's already lost 25 pounds.
This is Prop 8 all over again. Remember, the federal judge and the Ninth Circuit both issued stays after their rulings striking down Prop 8. The Utah AG fricked this up as he hadn't already requested a stay if the Shelby found Amendment 3 unconstitutional. There was no stay to put in place because the Utah AG had not requested one prior to the ruling. It is surprising (and possibly quite telling) that the Tenth Circuit refused to issue one though.
The Tenth Circuit could very well affirm the ruling striking down Amendment 3. And the SCOTUS could very well decline to hear the appeal reinstating marriage equality in Utah. If they decline to take the Utah case, they will probably take one in the next few years though. There are currently 31 cases in 17 states working their way up through the courts. I predict more rulings similar to Shelby's who used the DOMA ruling as justification for striking down the gay marriage ban.
The SCOTUS is not going to say it's illegal for the federal government to discriminate against gay people but then say the states can do this. The gist of Shelby's ruling was that individual rights trump states rights when the two clash.
At least that crazy Mormon politician who has been starving himself since Shelby's ruling can eat again. I've been getting worried about him. He claims he's already lost 25 pounds.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:52 am to PuntBamaPunt
quote:IDGAF anymore these screeching people make it hard to support them.
What does this mean for any licenses already given?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:52 am to Toddy
quote:I am sure you are worried.
At least that crazy Mormon politician who has been starving himself since Shelby's ruling can eat again. I've been getting worried about him. He claims he's already lost 25 pounds
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:53 am to Toddy
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marriage equality
Liberals sure the frick love to bastardize language.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:56 am to PuntBamaPunt
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What does this mean for any licenses already given?
If California is any indication then the marriages will still be valid. If Utah wins their appeal, they could make them go through some kind of "forced divorce" but it's doubtful they would succeed. Some of the GOP politicians have mentioned converting them to civil unions. But they've already fricked that up as Utah also banned civil unions and domestic partnerships when they enacted Amendment 3.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:58 am to udtiger
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Liberals sure the frick love to bastardize language.
This term has been very effective whether you like it or not.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:00 am to Toddy
It will never end will it Toddy, this machine will continue to roll along. What will the next gay cause be after this?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:01 am to Toddy
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This term has been very effective whether you like it or not.
It's ridiculous. Thing like this turn away some middle of the road people that might otherwise support your cause.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:02 am to Jbird
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What will the next gay cause be after this?
This will last a few more years. Not sure what the "next cause" will be. That will be for the GOP to decide.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:03 am to Toddy
quote:bullshite.
That will be for the GOP to decide.
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