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Among those you know, is the City of St. George issue partisan?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:24 pm
Among those you know, is the City of St. George issue partisan?
I'm not finding that to be the case. One of the most vocal opponents of it that I know is a conservative teabagger. All the liberals I know are also against it. The only person I know who favors it is a moderate who I suspect voted Obama but didn't like it.
I'm not finding that to be the case. One of the most vocal opponents of it that I know is a conservative teabagger. All the liberals I know are also against it. The only person I know who favors it is a moderate who I suspect voted Obama but didn't like it.
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:27 pm to SpidermanTUba
it's a very, VERY local issue, so i highly doubt it is partisan
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:28 pm to SpidermanTUba
I'm against it and have three in the Government schools which I am heavily personally invested in Improving. I think the negative unintended consequences are numerous. I may be wrong.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:04 pm to SpidermanTUba
While it is a collection of predominately white neighborhoods, I have found the support to be pretty strong from everyone in the area. The opposition is mostly coming from the Baton Rouge side who will be losing the huge tax base. I don't really know how support stacks up republican vs democrat, but it is pretty strong in both white and black.
If it succeeds, it WILL hurt Baton Rouge residents, but it WILL benefit St George residents. This is a large unincorporated area wanting to create their own community. I fully support them exercising their democratic rights to do so. Two of the top three school districts in Louisiana (Zachary and Central) split off from Baton Rouge and this community is hoping to do the same.
If it succeeds, it WILL hurt Baton Rouge residents, but it WILL benefit St George residents. This is a large unincorporated area wanting to create their own community. I fully support them exercising their democratic rights to do so. Two of the top three school districts in Louisiana (Zachary and Central) split off from Baton Rouge and this community is hoping to do the same.
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:10 pm to Lsupimp
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:11 pm to SpidermanTUba
I am for it primarily because of the people against. The unions and the young professionals in this town that support such idiotic causes as the BR Wall project (i.e., the Cocktail Circuit) are against it. I figure whatever they see as bad is likely very good for me. I am a Libertarian for what it's worth. Most of the people I have talked to about it, all republicans or libertarians since I purposefully have no liberal friends, support it. My dad is a staunch conservative and against it, however, because he fears what it will do to Baton Rouge.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:30 pm to LeonPhelps
quote:That is greater good stuff right there, the producers can't leave because nobody will be left to force the welfare costs on. Tell your dad to quit being a communist. I am just joking... exaggerating might be a better word.
My dad is a staunch conservative and against it, however, because he fears what it will do to Baton Rouge.
The area produces 2/3 of all BR tax revenue and has never had a mayor elected. Improving schools is the primary reason for the split, getting out from under the control of the voting block that produces noting but holds the majority is necessary to do that.
For those who don't know the background. The area tried to create their own school district a few years ago. For some reason this requires approval from the legislature, so baton rouge was able to block it. The response was to create a whole new city out of the same unincorporated area, which requires a petition and a vote from the people inside the area. Baton Rouge is powerless to stop this move other than to campaign against it.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:34 pm to SpidermanTUba
Very local.
Old money/old politics vs. new/new
Old money/old politics vs. new/new
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:35 pm to eelsuee
quote:Link? I can find nothing that supports that statement.
The area produces 2/3 of all BR tax revenue
quote:Any new school district requires a La. constitutional amendment. That means it requires a 2/3 majority vote of each house of the legislature and a statewide majority vote of the people to pass.
For some reason this requires approval from the legislature
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:41 pm to SpidermanTUba
Amongst my family & friends in the area (I don't live there obviously), St. George is definitely a Tea Party cause célèbre. In fact, if I were Rob Maness, I would try to use St. George as a wedge issue to syphon tea party support away from Bill Cassidy (this assumes, of course, you don't think Landreiu can get to the magic number in the Jungle Primary). While it certainly isn't a national or statewide issue, It is fair game with Cassidy since he represents Baton Rouge. Forcing Cassidy to take a public position on the issue (I'm assuming he hasn't already but I'm too lazy to check) could be a boon to Maness or another insurgent-challenger.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:42 pm to LSURussian
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Link? I can find nothing that supports that statement.
I know... consider the source. But they have been claiming it for a long time now unchallenged.
LINK
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We represent more than two-thirds of the parish's tax base but only about one-third of its expenditures, and the area which will be St. George has never produced a mayor-president of Baton Rouge in modern times.
I am pretty sure they are referring to property tax. I found this from the advocate regarding sales tax. I would expect a large gap considering there are a LOT of houses in baton rouge that fall below the $75k homestead exemption.
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If supporters succeed in their quest to create the city of St. George, they will carve off a quarter of the residents in areas covered by the city-parish government but take 40 percent of the sales tax revenue, according to a study by LSU economists released Sunday.
LINK
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:52 pm to eelsuee
What's Landreau's stance on it? What has she done for EBR in all of her time in DC? What has she ever done for Baton Rouge?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 5:00 pm to Bandits
quote:I am not certain, but way more of her votes come from Baton Rouge than the proposed new city. Since she is a liberal, I assume she would oppose it. Since she is a politician, she will probably say noting and if she does it will be siding with her voters.
What's Landreau's stance on it?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 5:45 pm to eelsuee
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I am pretty sure they are referring to property tax.
Which would be absolutely untrue if they are claiming that. The downtown commercial real estate and Exxon/industrial plants alone produce almost 1/5 of the property taxes collected in EBR.
I notice they word it it "2/3 of the tax base." That is not the same thing as "producing 2/3 of the taxes."
The site you linked also claims no increase in taxes for the St George residents. There will be an increase in taxes, especially for the school system.
So, yeah, the source is not credible.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:00 pm to LSURussian
To create the city will cost residents extra in tax dollars. Splitting the city will cause issues in the parish government and will likely exacerbate some social issues between the two areas. And in the end it might bring the federal government back into the the school system if they pull out of EBR.
If you think all that is worth having your own school district composed of the same kids plus some magnet kids, along with the same teachers and some of the same administration go ahead and vote for it.
Seems like high risk and a low reward situation to me.
If you think all that is worth having your own school district composed of the same kids plus some magnet kids, along with the same teachers and some of the same administration go ahead and vote for it.
Seems like high risk and a low reward situation to me.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:00 pm to LSURussian
quote:Please explain. The current residents already pay taxes for schools, why would that same money not be applied to schools in the new district? I am fairly certain the area is a net contributor to the rest of the current school district, so that would end.
The site you linked also claims no increase in taxes for the St George residents. There will be an increase in taxes, especially for the school system.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:10 pm to cssamerican
quote:It isn't splitting the city, it is incorporating the currently unincorporated area. Also, it will keep money in the area that currently goes to the rest of BR, I think any threats of costing more is propoganda.
Splitting the city will cause issues in the parish government and will likely exacerbate some social issues between the two areas.
quote:I would wager that people told Zachary and Central the same thing. People now flock to both of these areas for the public schools. Property values in these areas have skyrocketed as well due to improved schools.
If you think all that is worth having your own school district composed of the same kids plus some magnet kids, along with the same teachers and some of the same administration go ahead and vote for it.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:15 pm to eelsuee
The needed tax increases have been thoroughly covered in previous SG threads so I don't feel like going into all the details again. Sorry.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:19 pm to eelsuee
You keep bringing up Zachary and Central as examples. So why not research what they had to do with their property taxes once they established their own school systems? Both of them were already paying school property taxs before they split.
Plus, both of those cities have geographic areas a tiny fraction of the nearly 85 square miles of the proposed SG city limits.
Plus, both of those cities have geographic areas a tiny fraction of the nearly 85 square miles of the proposed SG city limits.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:23 pm to eelsuee
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I would wager that people told Zachary and Central the same thing. People now flock to both of these areas for the public schools. Property values in these areas have skyrocketed as well due to improved schools
They were high performing schools when they were in the old system. They both pay almost double the millage of EBR I property taxes.
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