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Less griping, more discussing-WR's
Posted on 11/9/13 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 11/9/13 at 1:58 pm
Since it's become a hot topic that our WR's are "pedestrian" lets discuss.
Colston- He's got the size and one of the surest hands on the team. Use to be THE red-zone target; however, seems like nagging injuries have slowed him down this year and seems to have lost a step.
Moore- You can agree or disagree but to me when Lance is on, he's pound for pound one of the best this league has to offer. He'll go across the middle and just like Colston has a pair of one of the surest hands this team has to offer. This season though, it seems as if he's been the forgotten man. Moore still has several good seasons in store for him and Brees loves him some Lance.
Stills- Having a pretty good rookie season. Has had a couple drops here and there but definitely has the capability of making the big play. His big issue that has surprised me is his lack of breakaway speed. With that being said, the kid has a tremendous amount of upside.
Toon- Many here thought and perhaps still see him becoming a 2nd coming of Colston. Hasn't been on the field as much as Stills. Has deceptive speed but seems to have a case of the "dropsies" recently. Devery Henderson had several seasons where you didn't know if he'd come through with being able to hold onto the ball or drop a sure 1st down. Toon is still developing and I believe he can turn it around and develop into a premiere outside threat; he needs to see the field more, though.
Meachem- While he's given us many great memories, I believe he's lost a step. That 60 yard catch in the Jets game is the type of play the old Meach would've coasted into the end zone for 6 with. While the trust factor is there between him and Brees, it's time to move on in the off season.
Morgan- Last season he showed glimpses of big play ability. He looked like he was having a solid camp up until his injury. He's had a few off field issues that could hurt his stock with this team going forward. We'll see how he comes back in the off season.
Graham- Yes, he's a TE (technically) but he's split out wide more often than being on the line blocking. He is without a doubt Brees' safety blanket. Hell, why not? Everytime Brees throws it his direction he's coming down with it. It's a no brainer this FO needs to pay the man.
Now, with all that being said, my conclusion is this about the receiving corps. Get them ALL more involved. Graham has been great this season but Brees is going to him too often and team's are teeing off on Jimmy. As a result, he's taking shots he really shouldn't be taking. Start designing plays to get the other guys involved; it'll help Brees and Jimmy tremendously. What happened to all those quick slants we use to throw to Lance and Colston? Rhythm is a huge factor with this offense right now. Now, lets get ready to watch our team start the 2nd half of the season by beating the Cowboys and asserting their presence as THE NFC favorite!
Colston- He's got the size and one of the surest hands on the team. Use to be THE red-zone target; however, seems like nagging injuries have slowed him down this year and seems to have lost a step.
Moore- You can agree or disagree but to me when Lance is on, he's pound for pound one of the best this league has to offer. He'll go across the middle and just like Colston has a pair of one of the surest hands this team has to offer. This season though, it seems as if he's been the forgotten man. Moore still has several good seasons in store for him and Brees loves him some Lance.
Stills- Having a pretty good rookie season. Has had a couple drops here and there but definitely has the capability of making the big play. His big issue that has surprised me is his lack of breakaway speed. With that being said, the kid has a tremendous amount of upside.
Toon- Many here thought and perhaps still see him becoming a 2nd coming of Colston. Hasn't been on the field as much as Stills. Has deceptive speed but seems to have a case of the "dropsies" recently. Devery Henderson had several seasons where you didn't know if he'd come through with being able to hold onto the ball or drop a sure 1st down. Toon is still developing and I believe he can turn it around and develop into a premiere outside threat; he needs to see the field more, though.
Meachem- While he's given us many great memories, I believe he's lost a step. That 60 yard catch in the Jets game is the type of play the old Meach would've coasted into the end zone for 6 with. While the trust factor is there between him and Brees, it's time to move on in the off season.
Morgan- Last season he showed glimpses of big play ability. He looked like he was having a solid camp up until his injury. He's had a few off field issues that could hurt his stock with this team going forward. We'll see how he comes back in the off season.
Graham- Yes, he's a TE (technically) but he's split out wide more often than being on the line blocking. He is without a doubt Brees' safety blanket. Hell, why not? Everytime Brees throws it his direction he's coming down with it. It's a no brainer this FO needs to pay the man.
Now, with all that being said, my conclusion is this about the receiving corps. Get them ALL more involved. Graham has been great this season but Brees is going to him too often and team's are teeing off on Jimmy. As a result, he's taking shots he really shouldn't be taking. Start designing plays to get the other guys involved; it'll help Brees and Jimmy tremendously. What happened to all those quick slants we use to throw to Lance and Colston? Rhythm is a huge factor with this offense right now. Now, lets get ready to watch our team start the 2nd half of the season by beating the Cowboys and asserting their presence as THE NFC favorite!
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Posted on 11/9/13 at 2:27 pm to 9BREES9
I agree with most of what you're saying. I agree that we need more quick slants but honestly I think Colston and Moore are too old/slow and they're getting bumped too hard to be effective there. We're relying too much on either 1) Jimmy getting light coverage, or; 2) Jimmy getting double covered and then one of the other guys getting free.
Truth is, there is just not enough speed in the WRs. That's why Jimmy and Sproles are our top targets. We need a true WR1 who is fast enough to blow the top off the D when they try to double cover Jimmy, but that can CATCH THE BALL when it's thrown to him.
Truth is, there is just not enough speed in the WRs. That's why Jimmy and Sproles are our top targets. We need a true WR1 who is fast enough to blow the top off the D when they try to double cover Jimmy, but that can CATCH THE BALL when it's thrown to him.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 2:31 pm to 9BREES9
I just posted this in the D'Anthony Thomas thread but this maybe a better place for it.
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The offense is getting to the point where there needs to be major overalls at several positions especially receiver. We have no receivers who can win against physical press man to man coverage. Even with Graham size & strength he is struggling with the use of his hands to create separation against press man. He's a beast when he gets a free release against off man or zone. The other receivers do a pretty good job against these same coverages but you can say that about pretty much any receiving corps league wide.
The offense really needs a big, physical, fast receiver who can beat press man to make defenses have to back out of it & open up the field for other receivers. I love Colston but it's obvious injuries & the numerous shots he's taken over the years have began to take their toll. Both he & Moore or on the wrong side of 30. Stills is the only WR who is showing he has a huge upside. Right now he looks like a much better & faster version of a young Lance Moore. Toon has been a disappointment so far & Meachem is still soft while having hands of stone.
This post was edited on 11/9/13 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 11/9/13 at 3:02 pm to 9BREES9
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Stills- Having a pretty good rookie season. Has had a couple drops here and there but definitely has the capability of making the big play. His big issue that has surprised me is his lack of breakaway speed. With that being said, the kid has a tremendous amount of upside.
what games are you thinking of here? Seemed like in the Buffalo game he caught the long ball for a TD. I think maybe they had a mismatch on that play though. I'm not sure if the safety ever saw Stills streaking down the sideline.
he's made some pretty big plays for a rookie. The TD catch vs. New England was clutch as hell.
but I haven't really seen a game where you would say, "How is he not getting open?" I think he'll have some big play opportunities tomorrow night against a weak Dallas secondary.
he seems to have pretty good field awareness and has nice control. I'm thinking of some catches he had in preseason where he was working well catching some passes near the sidelines.
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Colston- He's got the size and one of the surest hands on the team. Use to be THE red-zone target; however, seems like nagging injuries have slowed him down this year and seems to have lost a step.
just over the years, he's played through some injuries too. I think he only missed like 2 games after he broke his collar bone vs. Green Bay in 2011. One big reason his production has fallen off is that Jimmy was getting an insane amount of targets early on. Usually it seems like Brees spreads the ball around more.
Colston is still a gamer though. He had that big catch vs. Tampa Bay that set up the game winning FG. I think he'll emerge down the stretch, maybe not like years past but certainly more than what we've seen so far.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 4:15 pm to LooseCannon22282
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what games are you thinking of here?
The two that stand out to me are opening week against Atlanta. Took it about 64 yards or so but got run down around the 10 if I remember correctly. Another game, is Miami. He took a slant from Brees and looked as if he was going to get in but looked like he ran out of steam inside the 10.
I do agree with you that he's made some big plays for a rookie and I hope we wtiness many more this season. Again, not saying he can't "separate" at the line because he does a great job of that. I'm focusing more on the ability to take it to the house.
And I think you're on to something when you forecast Colston coming up big down the stretch.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 4:50 pm to LooseCannon22282
Stills is the next Steve Smith of the NFC South.
Graham is the Calvin Johnson of tight ends.
That is all.
Did I say I love the Saints? Because I love the Saints!!!!
Graham is the Calvin Johnson of tight ends.
That is all.
Did I say I love the Saints? Because I love the Saints!!!!
Posted on 11/9/13 at 5:13 pm to Suntiger
Toon = less talented Colston
Stills = Moore with higher upside
Morgan = injured Meachem
Honestly, we have younger clones of guys were used to having. But to me, I really wouldn't mind letting Toon, Morgan, and Meachem walk and going for that big, physical, fast guy on the outside. Then you'd have Graham and Colston for possession, Stills and Moore for a little more shift element. Although I think Stills can develop into more than just a slot guy
Stills = Moore with higher upside
Morgan = injured Meachem
Honestly, we have younger clones of guys were used to having. But to me, I really wouldn't mind letting Toon, Morgan, and Meachem walk and going for that big, physical, fast guy on the outside. Then you'd have Graham and Colston for possession, Stills and Moore for a little more shift element. Although I think Stills can develop into more than just a slot guy
This post was edited on 11/9/13 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 11/9/13 at 5:25 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I'm not sure what is going on with Toon.
I feel like he has the makings to be very good, but he's just not showing it.
I feel like he has the makings to be very good, but he's just not showing it.
This post was edited on 11/9/13 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 11/9/13 at 5:30 pm to Hoodoo Man
I think it will take time. Most receivers don't pick the pro game up quickly. He'll do better with more playing time. He has the physical tools.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 5:35 pm to afatgreekcat
Yeah and I like Toon too, watched a lot of his games at Wisconsin. He's tall and does have a little bit of speed, but idk man. He just doesn't seem to get it yet.
I just think it's time to finally inject that game breaking playmaker we seem to have not had in awhile. Not that Graham isn't that, but he isn't gonna outrun you on a 70 yard bomb
I just think it's time to finally inject that game breaking playmaker we seem to have not had in awhile. Not that Graham isn't that, but he isn't gonna outrun you on a 70 yard bomb
Posted on 11/9/13 at 5:39 pm to 9BREES9
This team is fine at wideout. If there's any problem it's that they aren't targeted enough.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 5:40 pm to Unknown_Poster
They're not targeted because they're not getting separation.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 5:41 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Morgan = injured Meachem
See redundant. At least for Meachem Mark 1.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 5:43 pm to Unknown_Poster
Yeah...we're really not. We don't have any WRs who can consistently get separation anymore. Morgan was that guy last year but he's injured and all he's good for is a go route.
Just imagine a Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, or Marquise Lee in this offense to go along with Graham, Sproles, Stills, Colston, and Moore.
We've grown waaaaay too dependent on Jimmy and Sproles and when teams take them away we just can't adjust.
Just imagine a Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, or Marquise Lee in this offense to go along with Graham, Sproles, Stills, Colston, and Moore.
We've grown waaaaay too dependent on Jimmy and Sproles and when teams take them away we just can't adjust.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 7:14 pm to Suntiger
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Stills is the next Steve Smith of the NFC South.
Stills isn't physical enough against press man to be mentioned in the category of Steve Smith. Victor Cruz would be a better comparison.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 9:17 pm to Unknown_Poster
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This team is fine at wideout
False.
One big possession receiver who is broken
One small possession receiver who isn't as quick and breaking down.
One inconsistent former deep threat who was said to be broken down.
One inconsistent deep threat on ir with torn acl.
One big young receiver who is inconsistent as frick.
One young rookie with potential.
Yeah we're pretty much set. I swear I think half our fan base has an aversion to talent.
This post was edited on 11/9/13 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 11/9/13 at 9:25 pm to Hoodoo Man
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They're not targeted because they're not getting separation.
Hard to do that when the offensive line gives Brees about two seconds to throw.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 9:26 pm to Unknown_Poster
They haven't gotten consistent separation for 2+ seasons.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 9:27 pm to St Augustine
That just isn't true.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 9:47 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Hard to do that when the offensive line gives Brees about two seconds to throw.
This has absolutely nothing to do with receivers getting separation or route running ability. Matter of fact, the lack of separation by the receivers & their inability to adjust their routes according to coverage is causing Drew to hold to the ball longer leading to hits & sacks.
This post was edited on 11/9/13 at 9:52 pm
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