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Depreciating your vehicle - Paging Poodlebrain
Posted on 10/30/13 at 8:33 am
Posted on 10/30/13 at 8:33 am
I know you have to use it for more than 50% business use in order to depreciate it at all. I am trying to find some guidance on the IRS website about if you use it say 25% for a schedule C and 30% for your job in which you are an employee. Can you depreciate it in this scenario or are you stuck only using the mileage rate for both? I can't seem to find anything addressing this.
TIA
TIA
This post was edited on 10/30/13 at 11:08 am
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:47 pm to SippyCup
That doesn't address the combination of self-employed use and employee (sch A) expense use.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:58 pm to Ford Frenzy
Just use mileage for both. Why do you want to use depreciation instead of mileage?
We have clients that will buy a new vehicle at the end of the year just to take the full 179 on vehicles greater than 6,000 lbs.
But most people use mileage bc depreciation/gas/insurance etc usually is always less than the mileage deduction.
If you have a clunker that you're always repairing then yeah use Actual expenses but otherwise go mileage.
We have clients that will buy a new vehicle at the end of the year just to take the full 179 on vehicles greater than 6,000 lbs.
But most people use mileage bc depreciation/gas/insurance etc usually is always less than the mileage deduction.
If you have a clunker that you're always repairing then yeah use Actual expenses but otherwise go mileage.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:15 pm to Ray Finkle
I agree with Mr.Finkle here. We would need more details to be certain but this is my inital thought. Keep separate logs of course.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:17 pm to CalcuttaTigah
I'm really just wanting to know the correct way to depreciate it in such circumstance, plus can't you use actual in year 1 and switch (permanently) to mileage year 2 forward?
Posted on 10/30/13 at 5:58 pm to Ford Frenzy
The 50% business use can be met by combining less than 50% use from multiple activities. However, most tax return software is ill-equipped to deal with this situation so you might have difficulty preparing your return and/or filing it electronically. See Publication 463, chapter 4 LINK
The standard mileage rate is calculated as the average operating expense of all motor vehicles. It tends to be higher than most peoples' actual operating costs since it includes large trucks and other vehicles that have higher operating costs than the typical personal automobile.
Claiming actual operating expenses exposes you to depreciation recapture, and it reduces your basis in the vehicle such that you may have to recognize a gain on the sale or exchange of the vehicle.
When you combine both of the above with the lower administrative burden for determining the deduction, using the standard mileage rate tends to make more sense for most taxpayers.
The standard mileage rate is calculated as the average operating expense of all motor vehicles. It tends to be higher than most peoples' actual operating costs since it includes large trucks and other vehicles that have higher operating costs than the typical personal automobile.
Claiming actual operating expenses exposes you to depreciation recapture, and it reduces your basis in the vehicle such that you may have to recognize a gain on the sale or exchange of the vehicle.
When you combine both of the above with the lower administrative burden for determining the deduction, using the standard mileage rate tends to make more sense for most taxpayers.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 9:25 pm to Poodlebrain
Thank you poodle
What is wrong with 179 for each portion then switching to the standard mileage rate? (Besides recapture)
What is wrong with 179 for each portion then switching to the standard mileage rate? (Besides recapture)
Posted on 10/30/13 at 10:26 pm to Ford Frenzy
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What is wrong with 179 for each portion then switching to the standard mileage rate?
Not allowed
If you use actual in year one, you are stuck with actual for the life of the vehicle. Can't switch to standard.
If you use the standard mileage method in year one, and you can switch from actual to standard in subsequent years. No first year Section 179.
This post was edited on 10/30/13 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 10/30/13 at 11:17 pm to Ray Finkle
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usually is always
Posted on 10/31/13 at 9:20 am to Ford Frenzy
quote:Your return is likely going to make the IRS ask "what is going on here?" So you will be risking higher IRS scrutiny of your return.
What is wrong with 179 for each portion then switching to the standard mileage rate? (Besides recapture)
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:04 am to Poodlebrain
so I could 179 in year one (portion going to unreimbursed employee bus expenses and portion to schedule C) and just be stuck with actual the remainder of the vehicle life? Not saying it's smart but I was just curious as to a vehicle qualifying as depreciable if less than 50% used for self-employed income but combined with employee income it was used over the 50% percent.
Thanks for the info
Thanks for the info
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:23 am to Poodlebrain
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Poodlebrain
Serious question, do you learn most of this through pure experience, or are you constantly taking classes?
I just started studying for my CPA. My first test date is February 28th, and I see answers like this all the time from you and others and look back at my schooling and go, the hell?
Posted on 10/31/13 at 11:59 am to Jcorye1
The CPA reviews are great but nothing beats hands on knowledge and experience. Poodlebrain is by far the most knowledgeable poster as far as tax goes though.
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