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Carpentry question regarding shingles on a single layer tongue & groove roof

Posted on 10/24/13 at 6:15 pm
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 6:15 pm
Working on the plans for a deck on the bayou behind my house. The will have a roof and the rafters will be exposed and the roof will consist of of 3/4 t&g cedar or pine with tar paper and shingles to match my house. I'm not liking the idea of the shingle nails showing through. The only resolution I can come up with is to deck over the t&g with plywood of a thickness that when combined with the t&g won't allow the nails to penetrate all the way through. Is there any other option? Would shorter nails work (don't want them to be too short and not hold)? Or should I opt for a metal roof and space the seams over rafters?

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Thanks.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 6:37 pm to
Aren't shingles 2ft wide? My thinking is that if you have 24" shingles and rafters at some smaller distance, double them up and nail on the rafters only

I haven't ever done it, so I can't comment on if the overlapping bump would be noticeable or not
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
26256 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 6:48 pm to
Man, that's a hard one. TandG over rafters, decking over that then shingles or sheet is gonna be costly. Plus where is the best place to lay the paper?
Rich people problems.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 6:54 pm to
quote:

Aren't shingles 2ft wide?


3' wide...
Posted by bearcat78
Southeast
Member since Mar 2010
351 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 7:02 pm to
Short roofing nails will be fine.
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

Short roofing nails will be fine.


This or just nail your T&G to the bottom of the rafters, OBS on the top of rafters.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45810 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 7:23 pm to
quote:

This or just nail your T&G to the bottom of the rafters, OBS on the top of rafters.


If you are going to add the OBS anyway why not add it directly to the deck board and double up. I like the look of the exposed rafters. OSB is cheap anyway, that can't add much to the cost of the project...
Posted by KBeezy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 7:25 pm to
quote:

This or just nail your T&G to the bottom of the rafters, OBS on the top of rafters.



That is not any more an economical fix than what the OP originally suggested
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18492 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 8:44 pm to
Right, if I add anything it wold be above the t&g.

Adding 1/4" plywood would add $130 to my bill. The t&g+1/4" ply+tar paper+shingles would allow for 1" nails. Should work.
Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
8398 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 8:51 pm to
1/4 in OSB should be fine on top of your T&G
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 8:56 pm to
I'm pretty sure the short nails are fine. I nailed directly into 1/4" osb with them on my shed and have been through a cat 1 storm with no singles lost.
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 8:58 pm
Posted by Helo
Orlando
Member since Nov 2004
4590 posts
Posted on 10/25/13 at 7:19 am to
I wouldn't normally recommend shorter nails but with your plan to deck over with extra wood might work since you are adding additional sub-straight to attach to.

Another option is cover from underneath by either plywooding the rafters or joists.

As far as a metal roof, I am pretty sure you cannot space the seams like that because you must strip out a roof with something first. Either plywood or solid wood firing is needed before the metal is attached with screws. The screws would be much less visible though. I love metal roofs.
Posted by chief420
Parkersburg,WV
Member since Apr 2009
4189 posts
Posted on 10/25/13 at 7:52 am to
Why are you worried about the nails showing?
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18492 posts
Posted on 10/25/13 at 8:55 am to
If I went metal roof I would strip it w/ 1x4's at 12" oc and screw there. That at I'd be screwing through 1.5".

I don't like how the nails look sticking out and it also splinters the wood underneath. My house has a t&g roof and the underside (the part you see inside the attic) is chipped up from the nails.
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/25/13 at 9:10 am to
1/2" OSB runs around $9 a sheet. Just nail that down on top of the T&G. Nail it direct to the rafters. That way no big nails show. Just pop a line to keep the nails in line over the rafters. Use 3/4" roofing nail and you will be fine.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23716 posts
Posted on 10/25/13 at 9:21 am to
buddy of mine built a cabin on his property with fabulous cypress t&g and exposed rafters. What he did was put tar paper down on the top side of the t&g cypress with short nails, put 2x4 joist directly on top of the papered cypress, then a plywood deck with tar paper and shingles above that. It is a double layered roof with a 2 inch gap which allows direct air circulation between the layers. That way he preserves his beautiful t&g cypress from moisture and heat warp, and also puts a conventional, wind resistant roof deck over the structure without requiring an attic space for circulation. He had to screen the gaps between the two layers to keep bugs and birds out. The end result is a solid structure without any nails poking through.
This post was edited on 10/25/13 at 9:25 am
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18492 posts
Posted on 10/25/13 at 9:23 am to
Yeah, no way I'm doing that. This is an open air deck.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23716 posts
Posted on 10/25/13 at 10:16 am to
quote:

Yeah, no way I'm doing that. This is an open air deck.


Then just nail your shite down with little nails and keep a couple of squares of shingles handy for any serious storms.
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18492 posts
Posted on 10/25/13 at 11:36 am to
No need to get rowdy, bro. That plan sounds excellent for an interior ceiling. I was just pointing out that I'm not building a double roof that extreme for an outside deck. Worst case scenario I deck it with plywood or osb and nail through. I was looking for another way that might be easier that I might have been missing.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45810 posts
Posted on 10/25/13 at 11:37 am to
Going to put slate tiles on top?
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