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Bain, Gilmore & Lacouture Question
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:19 pm
Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't Bain and Gilmore the more desirable DL recruits in last year's class from an early playing time/impact perspective?
Lacouture seems like his is the first or second D-tackle off the bench now, and I am not aware of either Bain or Gilmore touching the field.
I heard from someone in the "know" that neither Bain or Gilmore were what they were thought to be on the recruiting trail. However, I took that with a grain of salt since interior defensive line is not a position that lends itself to meaningful early PT. Lacouture has certainly received meaningful early PT though.
While way too early to write them off, what do you project these two to be in the long run...dominant, high round picks (like Dorsey, Logan, Brockers etc.) or will they be role players similar to Q. Thomas, Mickey Johnson, Chancey Aghyahere, etc?
Lacouture seems like his is the first or second D-tackle off the bench now, and I am not aware of either Bain or Gilmore touching the field.
I heard from someone in the "know" that neither Bain or Gilmore were what they were thought to be on the recruiting trail. However, I took that with a grain of salt since interior defensive line is not a position that lends itself to meaningful early PT. Lacouture has certainly received meaningful early PT though.
While way too early to write them off, what do you project these two to be in the long run...dominant, high round picks (like Dorsey, Logan, Brockers etc.) or will they be role players similar to Q. Thomas, Mickey Johnson, Chancey Aghyahere, etc?
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Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:21 pm to DeltaDoc
Bain was considered more of a project. It's disappointing that Gilmore wasn't ready to contribute.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:22 pm to DeltaDoc
Enrolling early really helped LaCouture.
Bain and Gilmore obviously aren't doing what the coaches expect in practice because they could be playing right now.
Bain and Gilmore obviously aren't doing what the coaches expect in practice because they could be playing right now.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:22 pm to DeltaDoc
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I heard from someone in the "know" that neither Bain or Gilmore were what they were thought to be on the recruiting trail.
I hear the same thing. Nonetheless, I tend to discount such reports, for the reason you recite, and others. I also hear similar rumblings about Leslie, Brazil, and a number of others. If all of these insider gripes were true, our staff would be the worst talent evaluators in history. I choose to believe that the complaints are unfounded at this juncture. I hope I'm right.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:22 pm to DeltaDoc
I really don't know, but you can't say just role players when guys like Thomas will start next year more than likely.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:22 pm to DeltaDoc
Lacouture was here in the spring and was really impressive.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:23 pm to DeltaDoc
Honestly, I think Bain has the highest ceiling of all of them. Basketball player with great athleticism and a terrific body, but hasn't played the game and learned great technique enough. That can all be taught.
The guy can be a monster, but of course he isn't ready to contribute this year.
I am a little disappointed in Gilmore, but DT is really tough to see the field until your 3rd year in a program, which is troubling that we fricked up the 2012 class and didn't take many DLinemen.
The guy can be a monster, but of course he isn't ready to contribute this year.
I am a little disappointed in Gilmore, but DT is really tough to see the field until your 3rd year in a program, which is troubling that we fricked up the 2012 class and didn't take many DLinemen.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:33 pm to The312
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I hear the same thing. Nonetheless, I tend to discount such reports, for the reason you recite, and others. I also hear similar rumblings about Leslie, Brazil, and a number of others. If all of these insider gripes were true, our staff would be the worst talent evaluators in history. I choose to believe that the complaints are unfounded at this juncture. I hope I'm right.
Me too. Brockers, Logan nor Dorsey were getting the PT this early that Lacouture is getting. Now, that is likely because we are as thin on the defensive line as we have been in 15 years, but that does make the fact that neither Bain nor Gilmore are getting any playing time a little more concerning too.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:34 pm to LSUButt
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guys like Thomas will start next year more than likely
Out of necessity...he will not be a high round pick like Logan, Brockers, Johnson, etc.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:35 pm to DeltaDoc
Really tough for Oline and Dline to come in and play in the rigors of the SEC right away.
Dorsey, Logan, Johnson, Tyson Jackson all had to wait their turn and some even redshirted.
I think this time next year, Herron, Bain, Gilmore will be ready for some meaningful snaps.
Dorsey, Logan, Johnson, Tyson Jackson all had to wait their turn and some even redshirted.
I think this time next year, Herron, Bain, Gilmore will be ready for some meaningful snaps.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:37 pm to DeltaDoc
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that does make the fact that neither Bain nor Gilmore are getting any playing time a little more concerning too.
or it could be the LaCatoure was able to practice in the spring, thus has a better understanding of the calls?
maybe? possibly?
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:37 pm to The312
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I also hear similar rumblings about Leslie, Brazil, and a number of others.
I hear nothing but good things about Brazil. Hell the dude got carries already. He's in the doghouse right now for a fight, but I've never heard anyone question his ability.
I also haven't heard anything negative about Gilmore other than he just isn't ready yet.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:41 pm to EarthwormJim
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I also haven't heard anything negative about Gilmore other than he just isn't ready yet.
I wish I could say the same...however, what I was told could be false, therefore I am not going to go into specifics.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:45 pm to EarthwormJim
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hear nothing but good things about Brazil. Hell the dude got carries already. He's in the doghouse right now for a fight, but I've never heard anyone question his ability.
I've just heard the usual set of criticisms: he has "rocks" for hands, he will never contribute at WR/PR as a result, he needs to be moved to the defense (but he is too undersized to make an impact there), he has straight line speed but no elusiveness, he is slower in pads and lacks "football speed," etc. The stuff that is regularly thrown around on the insider boards. I ignore most of it.
As for the DT's, I've heard both Gilmore and Bain lack athleticism and an "explosive" first step. There has been a spate of anger of late on some boards directed at the staff members who evaluated them coming out of high school. Again, to be clear, I don't believe much of this.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:46 pm to DeltaDoc
That these guys can't come in and play is very troubling. Hopefully they weren't misses by the staff.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:47 pm to The312
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he is slower in pads and lacks "football speed,"
he looked pretty fricking fast on his carry against TCU
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:47 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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That these guys can't come in and play is very troubling. Hopefully they weren't misses by the staff.
it's 5 games into their freshman season for Christ's sake
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:48 pm to DeltaDoc
Good coaching will mold young players into big time players.They all have to wait there turn
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:49 pm to Salmon
True but there are several freshmen playing well for our rivals. The kid from Bama, Auburn has two and of course Nikdemchi are however you spell it.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 2:50 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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True but there are several freshmen playing well for our rivals
We have several also. Every freshman isn't ready to play right away.
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