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A peak into why we struggled last year and why we are balling this year
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:15 am
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:15 am
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Article Stuff:
"Struggling Dallas Cowboys cornerback Morris Claiborne admitted his confidence has taken a hit, attributing many of his issues this season to adjusting to playing primarily zone coverage."
""We're not the type of team that we were last year. We're not assigned [receivers] and you go wherever he goes, you follow him wherever he goes, and that's your man. We're not in that. We don't do that anymore.
"Now we're basically a zone team. You have to play within that zone. Everything is new to everybody. When guys come in and hit those big dig routes in between the zones, then of course the corner's there, so they're going to say, 'Oh, yeah, that's the corner.'
"It's still a transition. When we were in press, just faced up man to man, they only hit one ball on me. But overall, I think all my big plays come within the zone.""
""It goes with a lot of thinking when you're playing zone.
"When you're playing zone, you have to know where your help is, you have to know where you can push a guy to, to your help, you've got to know when you can man up and play it, all just man-to-man. You have to think about so much before the snap. You have to think of, 'We're in bail. I should be bailing. I should be off 5 yards here.' That's something I have to get used to.
"Coming from a place where I'm playing nothing but man-to-man and last year it's man-to-man, you don't have too much responsibility. Now, it's a big adjustment. It takes time to adjust to it.""
This is a great peak into a player's perspective of what happens when you change to a scheme they are not familiar with and aren't good at.
My Take:
We already know Spags' zone scheme didn't fit our players and going back to a more man look has made a drastic improvement.
It also shows Ryan was not the problem in Dallas and even Kiffin's legendary Cover 2 zone scheme cannot fix it. They are actually playing worse than they did under Ryan(pre-injuries).
A plus is that Dallas' loss is our gain and I love sticking it to "America's Team". First Payton, now Ryan.
Article Stuff:
"Struggling Dallas Cowboys cornerback Morris Claiborne admitted his confidence has taken a hit, attributing many of his issues this season to adjusting to playing primarily zone coverage."
""We're not the type of team that we were last year. We're not assigned [receivers] and you go wherever he goes, you follow him wherever he goes, and that's your man. We're not in that. We don't do that anymore.
"Now we're basically a zone team. You have to play within that zone. Everything is new to everybody. When guys come in and hit those big dig routes in between the zones, then of course the corner's there, so they're going to say, 'Oh, yeah, that's the corner.'
"It's still a transition. When we were in press, just faced up man to man, they only hit one ball on me. But overall, I think all my big plays come within the zone.""
""It goes with a lot of thinking when you're playing zone.
"When you're playing zone, you have to know where your help is, you have to know where you can push a guy to, to your help, you've got to know when you can man up and play it, all just man-to-man. You have to think about so much before the snap. You have to think of, 'We're in bail. I should be bailing. I should be off 5 yards here.' That's something I have to get used to.
"Coming from a place where I'm playing nothing but man-to-man and last year it's man-to-man, you don't have too much responsibility. Now, it's a big adjustment. It takes time to adjust to it.""
This is a great peak into a player's perspective of what happens when you change to a scheme they are not familiar with and aren't good at.
My Take:
We already know Spags' zone scheme didn't fit our players and going back to a more man look has made a drastic improvement.
It also shows Ryan was not the problem in Dallas and even Kiffin's legendary Cover 2 zone scheme cannot fix it. They are actually playing worse than they did under Ryan(pre-injuries).
A plus is that Dallas' loss is our gain and I love sticking it to "America's Team". First Payton, now Ryan.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 12:10 am
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Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:18 am to bonethug0108
Trade Ingram for Claiborne.
Man up over here brah.
Man up over here brah.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:36 am to bonethug0108
[quote]It also shows Ryan was not the problem in Dallas and even Kiffin's legendary Cover 2 zone scheme cannot fix it [quote].
what is your guess on what Peyton Manning will do to that defense this week? I'm thinking another 42-45 points for Denver. Not a stretch to think they'll hit 50 again.
I mean he only had to practice against the Cover 2 everyday when Dungy was his coach... Lol.
I don't think Ryan was the problem with Dallas last year. He was just the scapegoat.
if I remember right, they kept having guys get hurt last year. Their D started out doing well under Ryan but as the season went on, not so much.
but like I said it was an injury thing, not a reflection on him.
another thing, didn't Jerry Jones criticize Ryan's defense as being to diverse or something?
Man, I would want my defense to be able to give offenses nowadays as many different looks as possible to try and confuse them.
what is your guess on what Peyton Manning will do to that defense this week? I'm thinking another 42-45 points for Denver. Not a stretch to think they'll hit 50 again.
I mean he only had to practice against the Cover 2 everyday when Dungy was his coach... Lol.
I don't think Ryan was the problem with Dallas last year. He was just the scapegoat.
if I remember right, they kept having guys get hurt last year. Their D started out doing well under Ryan but as the season went on, not so much.
but like I said it was an injury thing, not a reflection on him.
another thing, didn't Jerry Jones criticize Ryan's defense as being to diverse or something?
Man, I would want my defense to be able to give offenses nowadays as many different looks as possible to try and confuse them.
This post was edited on 10/2/13 at 10:42 am
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:39 am to LooseCannon22282
we really need that diversity with our personnel as well.
Even with Harper out, we are still playing 4 safeties more than we are playing 3 linebackers. We are using 4 down linemen more than 3 down linemen. We aren't 3-4 or 4-2-5 team, we are a whatever works best with who is available and who we are against team and that is awesome.
Even with Harper out, we are still playing 4 safeties more than we are playing 3 linebackers. We are using 4 down linemen more than 3 down linemen. We aren't 3-4 or 4-2-5 team, we are a whatever works best with who is available and who we are against team and that is awesome.
This post was edited on 10/2/13 at 10:40 am
Posted on 10/2/13 at 1:07 pm to saintsfan92612
the Amoeba Defense name applies appropriately IMO
ya never know what combo of players will be out there, where they will line up, or what role they will perform on any given play.
Allowing players to utilize their instincts over thinking and responding has to be a lot more fun to play in. If ya want aggression constant zone won't get it.
Funny to me is this- For Spags scheme it was predicated on creating pressure with the front 4 and little blitzing. The rush was abysmal and the DBs were stretched beyond limits. Now we go Amoeba with guys all over the place. Somehow now we are clearly seeing more pass rush/pressure from the lineman primarily... kinda what was needed last year.
The essence of success so far to me is designing the scheme around the players versus trying to make them fit the scheme (round holes/square pegs).
ya never know what combo of players will be out there, where they will line up, or what role they will perform on any given play.
Allowing players to utilize their instincts over thinking and responding has to be a lot more fun to play in. If ya want aggression constant zone won't get it.
Funny to me is this- For Spags scheme it was predicated on creating pressure with the front 4 and little blitzing. The rush was abysmal and the DBs were stretched beyond limits. Now we go Amoeba with guys all over the place. Somehow now we are clearly seeing more pass rush/pressure from the lineman primarily... kinda what was needed last year.
The essence of success so far to me is designing the scheme around the players versus trying to make them fit the scheme (round holes/square pegs).
Posted on 10/2/13 at 1:12 pm to blueslover
quote:
Somehow now we are clearly seeing more pass rush/pressure from the lineman primarily
This is my favorite part. When was the last time the Saints D got pressure with primarily the linemen? La'Roi Glover days?
It's just great to see so much pressure and not have to send 6 guys every time
Posted on 10/2/13 at 1:15 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
Glover, Hand, Howard, and Johnson with Whitehead as the 3rd DE. That was a monster line and we look like we can recreate that.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 1:17 pm to blueslover
quote:
Funny to me is this- For Spags scheme it was predicated on creating pressure with the front 4 and little blitzing.
On top of just being a poor scheme and a poor scheme fit for our personnel, he also committed to playing the big contract guys and barely gave any of the young guys a chance.
And when you have DEs going up against guards and centers, unless they are used to that, they won't usually be successful and that's what Spags continually tried to do.
Interior and exterior pass rush are completely different skill sets and you can see when you put the right guys in the right place you will succeed.
This post was edited on 10/2/13 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:21 pm to LooseCannon22282
quote:
I mean he only had to practice against the Cover 2 everyday when Dungy was his coach... Lol
Wasn't Marinelli the DC at Indy during his time there, too?
Posted on 10/2/13 at 4:24 pm to bonethug0108
So......obviously this means Claiborne to Nola?
I'll take it
I'll take it
Posted on 10/2/13 at 11:56 pm to LooseCannon22282
What? The cowboys D isnt struggling that much
Posted on 10/3/13 at 12:33 am to bonethug0108
quote:
On top of just being a poor scheme and a poor scheme fit for our personnel, he also committed to playing the big contract guys and barely gave any of the young guys a chance.
You realize that the only reason Smith, Harper, and Vilma were pulled is because of injuries right? All three were going to see a ton of snaps if not for those injuries, and this defense would not be as good.
I think Ryan's personality is a great fit for the city, but I hate just giving coaches credit for everything. Spags was in a tough spot because there was no head coach to make the tough calls on those veteran defensive players.
It's hard for me to completely blame Spags when Junior is playing full time now, most of the inside d-line guys are either new or young guys who weren't ready last year. Vaccaro and Lewis weren't on the team last year.
Ryan is doing some great things, like moving guys around, especially Malcolm Jenkins, but it's hard for me to give him all the credit when I said before they even hired a defensive coordinator that just getting guys like Junior and Hicks on the field more would drastically change the defense.
All I'm saying is can we please give some credit to the players? It's annoying that the coaches always get all the credit. Again, patting myself on the back, I said this defense would be much different while most people still had no faith. Any d-coordinator they hired would have looked great with last year being the comparison.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 12:38 am
Posted on 10/3/13 at 12:37 am to blueslover
quote:
Funny to me is this- For Spags scheme it was predicated on creating pressure with the front 4 and little blitzing. The rush was abysmal and the DBs were stretched beyond limits. Now we go Amoeba with guys all over the place. Somehow now we are clearly seeing more pass rush/pressure from the lineman primarily... kinda what was needed last year.
Again, that's not really fair to Spags. Spags had to play guys like Smith, Ellis, and Bunkley. It's pretty much a completely different crew rushing the passer than what Spags was putting out there. This year's d-line is much more compatible with what Spags likes to run up front.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 6:28 am to landrywasbeast30
Ryan gets the credit for using players to their strength. Malcolm jenkins, greer, and prob before his injury looked much better than they did last year
Posted on 10/3/13 at 7:16 am to landrywasbeast30
Gonna disagree Brah.
Spags had Hicks and Galette and Walker and did not use them enough.
He kept Jenkins over Bush and he isolated him as the FS and it sucked bad.
He used Harper a lot in coverage and that sucked worse than Jenkins running in circles in the backfield.
His blitz packages were basic and predictable. His starters stayed in and his bench players stayed benched.
He never changed any thing or any one.
Spags had Hicks and Galette and Walker and did not use them enough.
He kept Jenkins over Bush and he isolated him as the FS and it sucked bad.
He used Harper a lot in coverage and that sucked worse than Jenkins running in circles in the backfield.
His blitz packages were basic and predictable. His starters stayed in and his bench players stayed benched.
He never changed any thing or any one.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 8:13 am to SaintEB
quote:
Trade Ingram for Claiborne.
Man up over here brah
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