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A lot of comparison to the 2008 defense...
Posted on 9/29/13 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/29/13 at 10:24 am
I think we are playing worse defense than that team, but obviously much better offense.
A few similarities: breaking in a top freshman corner (pp)
terrible safety play lead by a senior (curtis taylor)
d linemen not living up to hype (alem, woods)
However, this defense had some superstar players. Kelvin Sheppard and Perry Riley were really being broken in and starting to play ball. pp and chad jones growing in the system. They really didn't have a great chance with the qb play that year, but i think all and all they made more plays. They did give up a bit towards the end of that year.
Remember this, the DBU name was founded because of the young guys who took their lumps that year and then the added depth of the next class (mo clai, reid, tyrann) . We have some young guys getting ready to play big ball and some huge prospects ready to wreck the field.
A few similarities: breaking in a top freshman corner (pp)
terrible safety play lead by a senior (curtis taylor)
d linemen not living up to hype (alem, woods)
However, this defense had some superstar players. Kelvin Sheppard and Perry Riley were really being broken in and starting to play ball. pp and chad jones growing in the system. They really didn't have a great chance with the qb play that year, but i think all and all they made more plays. They did give up a bit towards the end of that year.
Remember this, the DBU name was founded because of the young guys who took their lumps that year and then the added depth of the next class (mo clai, reid, tyrann) . We have some young guys getting ready to play big ball and some huge prospects ready to wreck the field.
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Posted on 9/29/13 at 10:25 am to easy money
Except this D is worse in the secondary IMO.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 10:27 am to Paul Allen
we are probably worse on every level currently than we were in 08.
i say that meaning our starters because the dline and our starting linebackers have been terrible so our older guys in the secondary have looked bad. at least when white got beat deep it took a perfect pass and catch to complete it and robinson broke up a play in the end zone.
i say that meaning our starters because the dline and our starting linebackers have been terrible so our older guys in the secondary have looked bad. at least when white got beat deep it took a perfect pass and catch to complete it and robinson broke up a play in the end zone.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:26 pm to heartbreakTiger
anyone who was paying attention in both years knows this defense is significantly better than in '08. there were several big plays yesterday where the defender was right there but, Georgia players just made a fantastic play. same for the auburn game. for the most part, the defense looks like they're in the right position but are either getting slightly beat on pass plays or are getting beaten physically on run plays.
2008 was a Chinese fire drill. players were running all over the place even after the ball was snapped. players were yelling at each other before and after the play. receivers were routinely open where no defender was within 10 yards. they basically had no idea what they were doing or where they were supposed to be.
this defense has shown the ability to play well on occasion. '08 was keystone cops the entire season.
2008 was a Chinese fire drill. players were running all over the place even after the ball was snapped. players were yelling at each other before and after the play. receivers were routinely open where no defender was within 10 yards. they basically had no idea what they were doing or where they were supposed to be.
this defense has shown the ability to play well on occasion. '08 was keystone cops the entire season.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:37 pm to bfniii
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anyone who was paying attention in both years knows this defense is significantly better than in '08.
Agreed. I guess it's rantard common knowledge now that this D is worse, but I don't think anyone saying that was actually paying attention to the 08 D. There were times when I was wondering if LSU would recover from that debacle. With this year's D, I just think we're young.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:40 pm to easy money
In '08 the problem was motivation. The team was built to play for championships, and they knew they had no shot because of the QB deficiency.
They showed pride in the 'Bama game, but that was about it.
They showed pride in the 'Bama game, but that was about it.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:44 pm to easy money
Reminds me of the Tepper years. Really.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:49 pm to victoire sécurisé
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In '08 the problem was motivation. The team was built to play for championships, and they knew they had no shot because of the QB deficiency.
The '08 D was terrible fully independent of the QB situation.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:52 pm to AlwysATgr
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The '08 D was terrible fully independent of the QB situation.
Yep. Looking to the sidelines as the ball is being snapped and barking at your teammates because you are both out of place while the opponent's receiver is running by you has little to do with motivation and nothing to do with your team's QB problems.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:53 pm to easy money
If your really comparing PP to Tre White then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:05 pm to bfniii
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anyone who was paying attention in both years knows this defense is significantly better than in '08.
jury's still out on significantly better. they're significantly better at DC for sure, Chavis' scheme is much more sound.
it still boggles the mind how bad 08 could look at times. there was good talent at all 3 levels. there's probably 11-12 guys in the NFL on active rosters or practice squads off that defense.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:05 pm to easy money
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I think we are playing worse defense than that team, but obviously much better offense.
I completely disagree. The defense is around the same, and there's very little doubt about it to me. The defense hinges on its corners and until now, we've always had one absolutely great corner at the very least. That isn't the case. The talent is young and inexperienced.
In 2008, as you stated, the team had talent but awful defensive coordinators. They were absolutely incompetent to say the least, players and coaches. I'll never forget my rage at the blown last minute TD against Arkansas. That's a far worse situation. When you have experienced players who are doing terrible, that's a major problem, and that's the reason those two boneheads were sent to pasture. Chavis will be just fine after the season, and next year, they'll have playing time under their belt and know the schemes like the back of their hand.
Again, as you said, it came from those kids taking their lumps and adding new talent. You're right. These players who were recruited to come to a defensive powerhouse will be experienced in SEC play and have a year under their belt. That also gives the younger guys time to develop while playing under them instead of a ton of the defense declaring for the draft. Look at what one year of SEC play did for Mettenberger. I have faith that it will be the same next season with the defense.
This post was edited on 9/29/13 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:10 pm to Dijkstra
2008 had better d linemen and linebackers.
2008 has its problems in the secondary. 2008 had more than decent linemen. Jackson, RJF, Alem. The LBs were pretty good, too. Beckwith, Riley.. Sheppard played a lot. There was nothing wrong with the front 7.
2013 is weak at d linemen, LBs, and in the secondary. It's an all around bad defense with few playmakers.
2008 d > 2013 d
2008 has its problems in the secondary. 2008 had more than decent linemen. Jackson, RJF, Alem. The LBs were pretty good, too. Beckwith, Riley.. Sheppard played a lot. There was nothing wrong with the front 7.
2013 is weak at d linemen, LBs, and in the secondary. It's an all around bad defense with few playmakers.
2008 d > 2013 d
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:12 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Yep. Looking to the sidelines as the ball is being snapped and barking at your teammates because you are both out of place while the opponent's receiver is running by you has little to do with motivation and nothing to do with your team's QB problems.
Those kinds of things happen when you sleepwalk through team meetings and put in little to no work outside of the required practices.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:14 pm to easy money
I think peer leadership was a key issue with the 2008 defense and Malveto made that worse.
I don't know who the leaders are on this team and maybe they will emerge from this. But IMHO the wrong kids had the team's ear in 2008 and while I don't think Chavis is perfect he's >>>>>> than Malveto, so I think there is hope.
I don't know who the leaders are on this team and maybe they will emerge from this. But IMHO the wrong kids had the team's ear in 2008 and while I don't think Chavis is perfect he's >>>>>> than Malveto, so I think there is hope.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:21 pm to easy money
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A lot of comparison to the 2008 defense...I think we are playing worse defense than that team
Exactly. I totally do not understand all the people who are complimenting this garbage we have by comparing them to the (now) 2nd worst defense in school history. The 2008 defense was the fricking '85 Chicago Bears compared to the pile of garbage that is wasting our scholarship funds this year when the other team has the ball.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:23 pm to Tiger Ugly
If only we had the...
We would win the fricking national championship.
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2008 defense and Malveto
We would win the fricking national championship.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:24 pm to The Boat
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2008 d > 2013 d
So obvious and by such a large margin. 2013 is the worst defense that has ever existed in college football.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:25 pm to Nuts4LSU
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The 2008 defense was the fricking '85 Chicago Bears compared to the pile of garbage that is wasting our scholarship funds this year when the other team has the ball.
you need to take a couple of valium and go to bed...at this rate you'll be predicting 3-8 before the night is over
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:54 pm to Dijkstra
Dline makes a defense. the seahawks dbs could have been out there, with the time murray had to throw. Front four must get pressure..
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