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Gun value? by serial number? Pics added....
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:48 pm
Have a question for the gun gurus on here. I had a VERY close hunting partner that passed away last year. He left me two guns. One of them is an older Winchester model 21 skeet gun. I told the family member in charge of the estate I would give them something for the gun as I wanted them to have something for it rather than take it as a gift. I know nothing about model 21's and as I look at them online it looks like many are worth a good bit. Knowing nothing about the gun as far as age, how would I figure out it's worth? I have the serial number does that help?? I am lost here and want to make it right with the family in charge of the estate. Thanks in advance.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 9:51 pm
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Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:51 pm to Da Hammer
Post pics and any other markings on the gun
You are talking anywhere from $2,500 to $25,000
You are talking anywhere from $2,500 to $25,000
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:54 pm to Choirboy
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Post pics and any other markings on the gun You are talking anywhere from $2,500 to $25,000
he is now re-thinking giving the money
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:56 pm to Da Hammer
if he left it to you in a will, you should not have to pay for it.
If he told them he wanted you to have it, and they respected his wishes even though it was not in the will, paying is appropriate.
If he told them he wanted you to have it, and they respected his wishes even though it was not in the will, paying is appropriate.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:59 pm to Da Hammer
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:05 pm to Choirboy
Wickowick can point you in the right direction when he sees this. Beautiful gun.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:09 pm to Slickback
Guys I realize I don't HAVE to pay for it, however I WANT to pay for it, even more so if it's a high dollar gun. My impression is that it's not 100 years old. I will post pictures later tonight when I get home. (Yes I was aware after the fact that it could be a very expensive gun) however that doesn't deter me from wanting to take care of it properly. I valued my friendship with this person a lot.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:11 pm to Da Hammer
I understand where you're coming from...it's a nice gesture on your part. 
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:11 pm to Da Hammer
I never said you had a problem paying for it. I simply asked for more detail to try and give you a fair market value.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:16 pm to Choirboy
choirboy, that wasn't targeted at you. I truly appreciate your offer and everyone else's to help. Someone else suggested I should may not need to pay for it. I wanted it clear that I was trying to make it right in my mind and that means paying for it in a way that the family and I can live with even though they expect nothing.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:21 pm to Da Hammer
I recomend going here: Double Gun Shop but you are going to need a lot more photos and info. You should be able to date the gun by the serial number, length of barrels, pictures of the flats (bottom of the barrels) picture of the stock, etc... Gun looks to be in good shape...
ETA, that was a pic from Choirboy, not yours. Values on old double guns is much different that values on newer guns...
ETA, that was a pic from Choirboy, not yours. Values on old double guns is much different that values on newer guns...
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:29 pm to Choirboy
Well headed home in a bit will likely not have time to put pictures up until after 9pm but I will take them and put them up this evening thanks again for the offer to help ya'll. Will also talk with the shop above once I have better pictures in hand.
Is there any danger of posting the serial number on the net? I am 100% sure the gun was purchased and not stolen.
Is there any danger of posting the serial number on the net? I am 100% sure the gun was purchased and not stolen.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:29 pm to Choirboy
CSMC is now makes and handles all factory work for Winchester on the 21s. Here is their guns for sale. Their guns sell at a premium and should not be used for evaluation purposes, but can give a general idea. Condition of the gun, gauge, grade, rarely all play a part in the value of an old gun. Unless it was used hard and put up wet the gun will be worth thousands...
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:32 pm to Da Hammer
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Will also talk with the shop above once I have better pictures in hand.
That is a Double Gun shop is a forum, not a gun shop...
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Is there any danger of posting the serial number on the net?
Many people block out the was 3-4 digits...
Posted on 9/23/13 at 5:24 pm to Da Hammer
Some consider the Model 21 to be the finest American double made. It was certainly the strongest and the demand is high.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 5:45 pm to weagle99
Winchester Firearms Records
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The Winchester Model 21 Shotgun – Final Inspection Reports are available from Serial Number 23 to 36373.Original Order Sheets for Model 21s are available for many of the shotguns produced after November 1938 (additional fee service). Model 21 records are incomplete and not all serial numbers have records.
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A factory letter is an official report on the information contained in the original company records which the museum holds and are available to firearms museum members and non-members for a fee. Factory letters are on Winchester or Marlin letterhead and bear the seal of the Cody Firearms Museum.
A serial number search is a members-only benefit which provides the data on a firearm by phone, fax, or e-mail. Serial number searches contain the same information as factory letters.
Factory letters and serial number searches may contain the following information on your Winchester, Marlin, or L.C. Smith:
Warehouse date
Type of firearm
Caliber
Barrel length and shape
Trigger
Stock and butt
Sights
Magazine
Shipping date
Other features
Posted on 9/23/13 at 9:50 pm to wickowick
So after taking the gun apart for the first time I am convinced it's not very old and likely not super valuable however it's just my opinion. The barrels are set up to shoot steel, but serial numbers match the stock and forearm so they are original best I can tell. Below are some pictures (I am far from a photographer so if detail sucks sorry!). Any feedback would be good thanks all for help.
My current thinking is the cost would be one for a new one but really have no earthly idea. On the bottom of the gun in front of the trigger guard it has the word "tournament" stamped on it. Hope this helps ya'll some.... again thanks for any input.
My current thinking is the cost would be one for a new one but really have no earthly idea. On the bottom of the gun in front of the trigger guard it has the word "tournament" stamped on it. Hope this helps ya'll some.... again thanks for any input.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 9:54 pm to Da Hammer
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My current thinking is the cost would be one for a new one but really have no earthly idea.
Current Pricing...
ETA- The Winchester Model 21 is a deluxe side by side shotgun. The shotgun's initial production run from 1931 through 1960 yielded approximately 30,000 guns. Winchester Repeating Arms Company ceased the main production line of this shotgun in 1960 and the Model 21 was sourced to the Winchester Custom Shop until the gun's retirement in 1991. New Winchester Model 21 production continues under license to Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing Company. [1]
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 9:59 pm to Da Hammer
What does the wood on the stock look like, lot of figure? The gun looks to be in good shape...
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