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Planting Trees at Camp - Help

Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:03 pm
Posted by Mako
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2011
273 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:03 pm
I am looking to plant between 25 to 50 fruit trees and 100 oak/pecan trees or so per year for the next couple years at my place in the spillway. Trying to plant something extra for the deer and to give back to the landowners (its half ag fields with soybeans every year). I have a couple questions about the best wayt o go about it.

Should I by seedlings or started trees? (4 inches or so tall, but already started)

Where is the cheapest place to get seeds/started trees around Baton Rouge or New Roads?

I was wondering if anyone had any tips as to protecting them/keeping them alive?

What's the ebst time of year to plant? I am assuming in March?

TIA


Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15944 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:11 pm to
plant when dormant, so December through February

I know the nursery I order from sells hardwoods in boxes as small as 25, but I'm not sure they deliver

One thing to keep in mind is that if an area has a pretty decent deer population, they may browse the hell out of your seedlings after they bud out, killing them

Here is the Arborgen catalog, looks like they do deliver:
LINK

This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 4:14 pm
Posted by CoastieGM
Member since Aug 2012
3185 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:16 pm to
I can't help you with the first questions, but,
quote:

What's the ebst time of year to plant? I am assuming in March?
That's too late in my opinion. I've found that gulf coast trees do best if you plant them in November/December, or just before the winter rainy season for your particular area.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6847 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

December through February

yup

quote:

Arborgen

I've used them before, and they usually have beautiful trees.

Compare the prices at Arborgen to the LA Dept Ag and Forestry prices. Depending what you are getting, the stuff from the state is likely cheaper.

Go here to see what's available for this year, then go here for the prices.
Posted by The Last Coco
On the water
Member since Mar 2009
6840 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:27 pm to
Listen to Tenfoe. He knows whats up. The ag and forestry prices are usually cheaper.
Posted by CajunSqueal16
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Sep 2013
178 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:49 pm to
If you're looking at specific species of trees, Mossy Oak has their own nursery in Starkville, MS. Plus, they ship them to your door. They have a variety of different tree types. They use a special technique called "air pruning," which means they plant the seeds and let them sprout in a special container that causes the roots to grow in a more spread out, fibrous way. Basically, instead of a couple tap roots, there's hundreds of tiny fiber roots, which means the tree can pick up more nutrients and water from the soil. Some of mine have grown from 12-14" to 6-8' feet tall by the year after I planted them. They are a bit more expensive, ($3 a tree, for a 6-18" one year old seedling), but in my experience, we haven't lost any to drought or natural conditions YET. I've planted about 100 of them in different varieties on my property over the past couple of years. Good stuff if you're willing to pay a little more for a healthier tree.

If you're looking for tree species recommendations, I like to mix varieties of oaks: Nuttall, white, southern red, shumard, swamp chesnut, water, and cherrybark oak are some good ones. It all depends on your site conditions. Honeylocust is an excellent wildlife tree to consider as well. For fruit trees, you want wild varieties rather than domestic varieties (they are hardier and do not need pesticides). There are plenty of different wild species of apples, crabapples, and pears, but honestly, its hard to go wrong with a bunch of persimmon trees. Everything eats persimmons like crazy.

I think that Mossy Oak also sells bareroot seedlings in bulk, like 100 for $100 I think. These aren't air pruned or container grown, they are grown in the ground and then dug out when you buy them. 100 trees for $100 is a pretty good deal, but you can only get one species. www.nativnurseries.com

We've gotten some bigger trees from a nursery in Georgia and one in Alabama, but these are extremely large trees (15 gallon pots, several years old) and I don't think that's what you're looking for. But I got some excellent trees from those places, as well.
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 4:53 pm
Posted by Outdoor Chef
Zachary
Member since Sep 2011
486 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 5:37 pm to
Langston knows a lot about trees, maybe he'll chime in. Late October-February is the time to plant. Sawtooth oaks are from the fastest growing, acorn producing oaks. I suggest plant the the first year then a mixture of oaks, crab apples, pears, persimmons, plum, sweet pecans, and muscadines (though not a tree, cool to have)
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 5:40 pm
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21411 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:11 pm to
Mayhaws are good understory trees. Paw paws also if you can find them. plant in volume, you will lose a few of all of them to wildlife. Chickasaw plums trees - find some seeds and plant a couple dozen in a small patch. in ten years you'll have a nice growth of wild plums.
Posted by CajunSqueal16
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Sep 2013
178 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:14 pm to
quote:

Mayhaws are good understory trees. Paw paws also if you can find them. plant in volume, you will lose a few of all of them to wildlife. Chickasaw plums trees - find some seeds and plant a couple dozen in a small patch. in ten years you'll have a nice growth of wild plums.


I have several patches of chickasaw plum I planted throughout my property. I plant them 2-4' apart in a checkerboard pattern, they will fill into a big thicket over time. Mine should start putting on plums in the next year or two. Good summer food for deer, turkeys, and everything else. Good cover, too, for rabbits and quail.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6847 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:23 pm to
Im glad you had good results with them, but I know several people (including myself) that have had less than stellar performance from the RPM (air pruned) trees. A tree or two for your yard may be ok, but I think their growth tapers off A LOT when you put them in a natural setting that isn't over-fertilized like their nurseries. They are also rediculously expensive.
Posted by Nwlasaint
Member since Jul 2013
548 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:51 pm to
All I can tell you that hasn't already been said unless i overlooked it Is make sure you put a cage around them. I planted fruit trees on my place and the deer ate them as soon as I planted them.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34377 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:58 pm to
I wouldn't plant more than I could see about (watering). First year is critical.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15944 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 9:13 pm to
quote:

I've used them before, and they usually have beautiful trees.


I will be getting 2 million + trees from them this year

Posted by INFIDEL
The couch
Member since Aug 2006
16199 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 9:15 pm to
I would stick with hardwoods if looking to help the deer. Have had a couple of bios tell me that fruit trees were useless. Saw tooths will produce early.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6847 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 9:26 pm to
quote:

I will be getting 2 million + trees from them this year


Pine or Hardwood?
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 9:32 pm to
I planted 200,000 pine from the state forestry guys.

I hated that icy cold nutrient gel they put on the roots.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6847 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 9:59 pm to
quote:


I planted 200,000 pine from the state forestry guys.

I hated that icy cold nutrient gel they put on the roots.


You can buy loblolly pines from Dollar General and 90% of them would live. Hardwoods are particular.

The gel, well, I have messicans.

Disclaimer: If you are messican, I meant Hondurans.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15944 posts
Posted on 9/6/13 at 11:28 pm to
Pine

Unless my site prep contractor doesn't finish up
Posted by Mako
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2011
273 posts
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:08 am to
Thanks for yall's help. I am going to look at Mossy oak and LA Ag to order a a few hundred.

About how big a cage do I need? Just a chicken wire circle will work?

I looked at building cages or buying tubes. Does anyone know where to get discount grow tubes? They are more expensive than the trees
This post was edited on 9/10/13 at 11:19 am
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