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Thomas Sowell: Reality versus Mirages in Egypt



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President Obama's call for the Egyptians to end the violence and form an "inclusive" government, with all factions represented, may sound good to many Americans. But there is not a snowball's chance in hell that it will happen.

Egypt existed for thousands of years before there was a United States of America. In all those millennia, Egypt has never had a free or democratic society. Nor is Egypt unique in that.

Of all the different nations that have existed at various times and places throughout recorded history, it is doubtful that even ten percent were free or democratic.

Even free and democratic nations existing today took centuries to achieve freedom and democracy. Barack Obama may have enough ego to imagine that he could accomplish, during his White House years, what took centuries to accomplish elsewhere. But do others, including some conservatives, need to share that delusion?

Yet Obama is only the latest in a long line of American officials, including Presidents, who have thought that a universal human desire for freedom meant that freedom and democracy could be exported, even to countries where they have never existed before.

However widespread the desire to be free, that is wholly different from a desire to live in a society where others are free. Nowhere is such tolerance harder to find than in the Middle East.

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However widespread the desire to be free, that is wholly different from a desire to live in a society where others are free

I agree with this. Tolerance for people that are different than you is a learned behavior, not a natural instinct.



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Bret Stephens' WSJ column was in accord with Sowell. I don't love any choice that I am aware of but on balance, I would take the approach advocated by Sowell. It would be nice to disengage and save some $ but that would leave a power/influence vacuum that somebody is likely to fill.





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I agree with this. Tolerance for people that are different than you is a learned behavior, not a natural instinct.
Me too. I thought it was an excellent insight into the inherent challenge of democracy. We saw it here in America with the 17th century pilgrims who came to America for religious freedom. They found it, but that doesn't mean they were willing to extend that same freedom to others. State churches were soon formed and all churches that weren't part of the state church were taxed, and some of their ministers even imprisoned. It took over 150 years and the Bill of Rights to enusre religious freedom for everyone.






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It took over 150 years and the Bill of Rights to enusre religious freedom for everyone.

The Bill of Rights actually short. It wasn't until the passage of 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments as well as the Indian Citizenship Act and the Brown vs Board of Education SCOTUS decision that everyone became free and equal in the eyes of the federal government.






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to ensure religious freedom for everyone.






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Religious freedom is an anthema to many of the conservative Islamists. Despite the Korans provisions on that point many view the Christian population as a third column.


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Religious freedom is an anthema to many of the conservative Islamists.

This is true, and it's why the true hardliners don't really care for democracy in the first place. One thing that's sort of confusing is why the Egyptian Islamists seem to be so much more antagonistic towards Christians than the Palestinian and Lebanese Islamists. In Lebanon, Hezbollah embraces the Maronite Christians, albeit partly for political reasons and Hamas actually has Chrisitan members in Gaza, but in Egypt, the Salafists are downright hostile to the Coptic Christians and the Brotherhood doesn't appear to be much friendlier.






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