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Yes, it is discriminating. You are creating a separate group out of those people. You have defined a group of people with vague standards and are now denying them service. Just like how you can say I will group people based on their skin color and then deny them service.
Oh man, what a dumb post. "Negroes" is an ethnic group. "People with bare feet" is not an ethnic group.






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In summation, you're ok with the state punishing a business that does not want to serve a specific set of people due to their religious beliefs? Right?
No.

I'm ok with the state punishing a business for breaking business law. Religious beliefs are neither here nor there.



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Oh man, what a dumb post.

You are the expert on those, that is for sure.

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Negroes" is an ethnic group.

In this example, I think you mean a race of people.

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"People with bare feet" is not an ethnic group







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BBONDS25
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I'm ok with the state punishing a business for breaking business law. Religious beliefs are neither here nor there.


Again with the legal assertions. I assume you still don't have a cite?

I have a couple that directly contradict your assertion. They can probably be differentiated, however the legal theory can still be applied. Oh, wait...I forgot you aren't big on actual legal arguments....just whatever you think common sense should be.






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You've said this about eight times and showed me nothing. I'm talking common sense. If you've got something for me, show me.





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I think you fail to understand to simple fact that there are many different forms of discrimination. Not just white on black or straight on gay. In fact people discriminate every day.






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I think you fail to understand to simple fact that there are many different forms of discrimination. Not just white on black or straight on gay. In fact people discriminate every day.
Some discrimination is ok. Some discrimination is not ok.

If I don't give an 8 year old a driver's license because she's 8, that's ok.

If I don't give an 8 year old a driver's license because she's a chick, that's not ok.

Go to school and learn this basic stuff.






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Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
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But a company can deny service based on the type of clothing one is wearing. Like the typical "No shoes, no shirt, no service" signs. Is that not discriminating against that group of people? I understand that you cannot deny service to people based of there skin or discriminating. The problem is that the "discriminating" word covers a lot of things. People need to be more descriptive in how they utilize such words. And if anything the owners are saying they are unable to fulfill a service due to their religious beliefs. They are not denying them service. In fact they said that they would offer them any thing else from their p;lace of business. But now they gays are prosecuting the owners based on their religious belief that they should be married. If they can do that why can't the owners say they can't marry them because they don't believe it is right?


I have not read the entire thread but bits and pieces. I'm quoting your response because of what I read it seemed quotable and appropriate. Please don't take this as an attack on your stance.

I think a priviate business should be able to conduct business as they see fit and people can patronize their business or not based upon the owners actions. However, if they typically rent out their place of businees for weddings and such I find it hard to agree that they should not rent it out to this "couple". As a Catholic my religious veiw is against what they are trying to do but I think the government protects them (the gays)just like it protects me to worship as I see fit.

Using the religious argument IMHO does not give you much ground to stand on. Under this same argument could you not argue that your "insert religion" believes all blacks/jews/muslims/ect. to be demonic and therefore you don't have to serve them? I think gay marrige is a hoax and they should be going after civil unions instead, but it is still not right to discriminate against them.

If these people/owners felt so strongly against gays because of their religious belief then they would not offer to sell them art or any other service because of their beliefs. They are trying to cover their arse by saying we would sell them something.

If they said that they are against gays and would not sell to them nor allow them in their place of business then I would have an easier time accepting their argument (wrong as it may be) but since they stated that they would sell items to them the religious argument falls short of thier greed.







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their business, their rules. homosexuality is NOT a protected class under the law.

Sherbert v. Verner (1963), SCOTUS required the state to meet the standard of "strict scrutiny" when not allowing religious conduct or a course of action based upon religious beliefs. This means the government must have a "compelling interest" to prevent an individual's actions based on religious beliefs.
Since the couple has multiple avenues to complete their objective, I seen no compelling interest sufficient to force the owners to forgo their beliefs to accommodate the wedding.






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Sexual orientation discrimination is illegal in most places. it's 2013.





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Whatever happened to the right to refuse service?


This and only this.






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themunch
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Sexual orientation discrimination


being gay is not a sexual orientation as in gender referenced by law.

But of course, the premise it appears to me is to change culture to accept homosexual people as it's own gender in the order of the universe.



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Do you think Jesus would tell them to deny service to gay people?





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The real distinction to make here centers on the marriage ceremony. The owners don't believe in gay marriage for religious reasons. Being in the art business, my guess is they likely deal with gay people more than most.

I think Jesus would find the idea of 2 men getting married to be an abomination, since it is clearly contrary to His Father's design of marriage being between one man and one woman.

For some reason, people have this mistaken notion that Jesus would allow for anything out of love and compassion. They conveniently ignored the many times mentioned in the Gospels where he got angry, called out sinners, and, after forgiving their sins, implored people to go and sin no more.

Love doesn't mean you always say, "yes." You can still love someone even though you don't like their life choices.






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He would let them in and give them a double dose of the God's Spirit. They would then be cleansed of the demons and walk away giving testimony of the power of God through Jesus.

That is what Jesus would do. Oh and he would not deny them service before or after.

:Amen:






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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and what does that have to do with anything regarding discrimination against a gay couple wanting to use a publically available facility?





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themunch
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did u read what was written?

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Oh and he would not deny them service before or after.

:Amen:


Jesus wants us to be in the world but not of the world. That is inclusive of worldly behavior that are not in God's will as well as be living spiritually with God. Not preaching, just saying.






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themunch
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Sexual orientation discrimination


being gay is not a sexual orientation as in gender referenced by law.

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and what does that have to do with anything regarding discrimination against a gay couple wanting to use a publically available facility?


using your words. Please to xpound upon and clarify for my mind






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Jeaux, gay men discriminate against women, in only wanting to be with someone just like themself, another man that likes cock.

Society has no need of same-sex relations and if they were relied upon the history of man would quickly become history.






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