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CNN - Former general: Knew early that Benghazi was terrorist attack


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By Elise Labott

The former head of U.S. forces in Africa said the September 11, 2012, attack on the American mission in Benghazi quickly appeared to be a terrorist attack and not a spontaneous protest.

It was clear "pretty quickly that this was not a demonstration. This was a violent attack," former Gen. Carter Ham told the Aspen Security Forum on Friday. Ham is the former chief of U.S. Africa Command, commonly known as AFRICOM.

Five days after the attack, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice went on the Sunday news shows to say it was the result of a spontaneous demonstration, not a terrorist strike.

While the State Department has maintained that Rice's erroneous talking points were the result of getting and reacting to information in real time, critics accuse the Obama administration of orchestrating a politically motivated cover-up over a botched response, and continue to press for answers as to when the administration knew they were dealing with a terrorist attack.


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AlaTiger
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WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT ........ nevermind. I can't even do that anymore.

Sigh.






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This is not new information. What he says is obvious. The issue is not whether it, at first, appeared to be a demonstration.


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Decatur is compiling links as we speak to protect his intellectual investment





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This is not new information.


Has General Ham said this previously? I have not seen anything.







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If this had been Bush admin doing the coverup for political purposes, the MSM would still be all over it with Candy Crowley giving live updates from Capitol Hill while munching on a snickers bar.





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If this had been Bush admin doing the coverup for political purposes, the MSM would still be all over it with Candy Crowley giving live updates from Capitol Hill while munching on a snickers bar.


What did they know and when did they know it would be the MSM tag line while impeachment proceedings began






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Yet we have no concerns over why we're supporting questionable rebels by firing 100+ tomahawk missiles into a country and providing strategic support as well. Sometimes bad ideas have consequences, huge shocker there'd be blowback for playing world police.





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Obama will never address that terrorist attack and will keep diverting from the topic by politicizing every local/ state issues that pops up going forward.

I just hope Hillary is brandished at the stake for the incident if she decides to run for POTUS in 2016.






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I just hope Hillary is brandished at the stake for the incident if she decides to run for POTUS in 2016.

Really no chance of that happening. If Biden runs he can't make it an issue during the primaries and once Hillary secures the nomination no one in the press will care what a Republican has to say about it.






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If this had been Bush admin doing the coverup for political purposes, the MSM would still be all over it with Candy Crowley giving live updates from Capitol Hill while munching on a snickers bar.



ABU Ghraib was plastered on the Front Page of the New York times like 68 times...Think about that, this is the crap we have as a media in this country.






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Who says we have no concerns? You must be new here





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CajunAngele
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The Associated Press had published an account of the Gen. Carter Ham testimony and the page no longer exists.

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Gen. Carter Ham Says He Was Not Consulted on 9/11 Security Review


This is the only thing found.

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Findings

This progress report reveals a fundamental lack of understanding at the highest levels of
the State Department as to the dangers presented in Benghazi, Libya, as well as a concerted
attempt to insulate the Department of State from blame following the terrorist attacks. The
Committees’ majority staff summarizes findings to date as follows:

Before the Attacks:

-After the U.S.-backed Libyan revolution ended the Gadhafi regime, the U.S. government did not deploy sufficient U.S. security elements to protect U.S. interests and personnel that remained on the ground.

-Senior State Department officials knew that the threat environment in Benghazi was high and that the Benghazi compound was vulnerable and unable to withstand an attack, yet the Department continued to systematically withdraw security personnel.

-Repeated requests for additional security were denied at the highest levels of the State
Department. For example, an April 2012 State Department cable bearing Secretary Hillary
Clinton’s signature acknowledged then-Ambassador Cretz’s formal request for additional
security assets but ordered the withdrawal of security elements to proceed as planned.

-The attacks were not the result of a failure by the Intelligence Community (IC) to recognize or communicate the threat. The IC collected considerable information about the threats in the region, and disseminated regular assessments to senior U.S. officials warning of the deteriorating security environment in Benghazi, which included threats to American interests, facilities, and personnel.

-The President, as Commander-in-Chief, failed to proactively anticipate the significance
of September 11 and provide the Department of Defense with the authority to launch offensive operations beyond self-defense. Defense Department assets were correctly positioned for the general threat across the region, but the assets were not authorized at an alert posture to launch offensive operations beyond self-defense, and were provided no notice to defend diplomatic facilities.

During the Attacks:

-On the evening of September 11, 2012, U.S. security teams on the ground in Benghazi
exhibited extreme bravery responding the attacks by al-Qa’ida-affiliated groups against the
U.S. mission.

-Department of Defense officials and military personnel reacted quickly to the attacks in
Benghazi. The effectiveness of their response was hindered on account of U.S. military forces not being properly postured to address the growing threats in northern Africa or to respond to a brief, high-intensity attack on U.S. personnel or interests across much of Africa.

3

After the Attacks:

-The Administration willfully perpetuated a deliberately misleading and incomplete
narrative that the attacks evolved from a political demonstration caused by a YouTube
video. U.S. officials on the ground reported – and video evidence confirms – that demonstrations outside the Benghazi Mission did not occur and that the incident began with an armed attack on the facility. Senior Administration officials knowingly minimized the role played by al-Qa’ida-affiliated entities and other associated groups in the attacks, and decided to exclude from the discussion the previous attempts by extremists to attack U.S. persons or facilities in Libya.

-Administration officials crafted and continued to rely on incomplete and misleading talking points. Specifically, after a White House Deputies Meeting on Saturday, September 15, 2012, the Administration altered the talking points to remove references to the likely participation of Islamic extremists in the attacks. The Administration also removed references to the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa’ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya,including information about at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi.Senior State Department officials requested – and the White House approved – that the details of the threats, specifics of the previous attacks, and previous warnings be removed to insulate the Department from criticism that it ignored the threat environment in Benghazi.

-Evidence rebuts Administration claims that the talking points were modified to protect classified information or to protect an investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Email exchanges during the interagency process do not reveal any concern with protecting classified information. Additionally, the Bureau itself approved a version of the talking points with significantly more information about the attacks and previous threats than the version that the State Department requested. Thus, the claim that
the State Department’s edits were made solely to protect that investigation is not credible.

-The Administration deflected responsibility by blaming the IC for the information it communicated to the public in both the talking points and the subsequent narrative it perpetuated. Had Administration spokesmen performed even limited due diligence inquiries into the intelligence behind the talking points or requested reports from personnel on the ground, they would have quickly understood that the situation was more complex than the narrative provided by Ambassador Susan Rice and others in the Administration.

-The Administration’s decision to respond to the Benghazi attacks with an FBI investigation, rather than military or other intelligence resources, contributed to the government’s lack of candor about the nature of the attack.

-Responding to the attacks with an FBI investigation significantly delayed U.S. access to
key witnesses and evidence and undermined the government’s ability to bring those responsible for the attacks to justice in a timely manner.

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Policy Considerations

-The events in Benghazi reflect the Administration’s lack of a comprehensive national
security strategy or a credible national security posture in the region. The United States continues to maintain an inadequate defensive posture in North Africa and the Middle East as a result of the Administration’s under-appreciation of the threat that al-Qa’ida and related terrorist groups pose in the region.

-This singular event will be repeated unless the United States recognizes and responds to
the threats we face around the world, and properly postures resources and security assets to counter and respond to those threats. Until that time, the United States will remain in a reactionary mode and should expect more catastrophes like Benghazi, in which U.S. personnel on the ground perform bravely, but are not provided with the resources for an effective response. As those opposed to U.S. interests will continue to take advantage of
perceived U.S. weaknesses, the United States will continue to lose credibility with its allies
and face the worst of all possible outcomes in strategically important locations around the
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CajunAngele
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Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order @ TigerDroppings.com





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Obama doesn't know about this because it hasn't been reported in the news. Holder doesn't know about because he is to busy investigating Zimmerman. The NSA doesn't know about it because they spend to much time listening to wives phoning their husbands shopping list. Clinton knows about it but is too busy trying to save her chances to run for President. The American people don't know about it because they are to busy trying to name the unborn child of a reality TV show. TD-Poli Board knows about it but is powerless.....unless of course we can get the O-T posse to destroy someone on Facebook.





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A BRAVE retired Marine gonna get droned, audited and have his computer searched until he is having an affair with somebody.

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Retired Head Of U.S. Central Command Criticizes Obama Admin For Failure To Respond To Iran Plot


Meanwhile, guess who was busy golfing yesterday?

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If this had been Bush admin doing the coverup for political purposes, the MSM would still be all over it with Candy Crowley giving live updates from Capitol Hill while munching on a snickers bar.


Truf right there, my friend.






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CajunAngele, I still believe there are truths to this rumor but unless someone with the knowledge to confirm it steps up, we will never know.

I would like to know why that thread was locked.






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CajunAngele
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CajunAngele, I still believe there are truths to this rumor but unless someone with the knowledge to confirm it steps up, we will never know.

I would like to know why that thread was locked.


I agree and I have been wondering why that thread was locked.

Good to see you






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CajunAngele
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Put Treyvon in the subject and this thread will get some discusion.






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