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Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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But it was just a bad situation


The next time I go out for skittles and a cold drink.. I'll remind myself. Thanks Chuckie!






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VOR
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I do believe a significant portion of posters pulled together every random fact they could find to demonize Martin as a possible thug or troublemaker





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VOR
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I do believe a significant portion of posters pulled together every random fact they could find to demonize Martin as a possible thug or troublemaker





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Fat Bastard
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He washed his neighbors cars and painted people houses for extra money.
He would feed his mentally challenged uncle, Ronald Fulton.
He worked at the concession stand for football for FREE.
He helped a little girl learn how to ride her bike.
He would always help his mother out around the house.
He was an A and B student
He wanted to fly planes.
He would always fix peoples bikes when needed.
He never had a physical altercation with anyone (other than that night.)
And was preparing for college.



so no altercations? no thrown out of school?

links?






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NC_Tigah
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There doesn't seem to be much empathy for the Martins on this board IMO
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I do believe a significant portion of posters pulled together every random fact they could find to demonize Martin as a possible thug or troublemaker
(1) How the heck does that relate to Trackfan's assertion?

(2) Zimmerman """profiled""" Martin for behavior, not race.

(3) Identifying TM's temperament, tendencies, and motives that night are important in truth-seeking.

For example: TM went to the 7-11, bought skittles and Arizona Watermelon Fruit Cocktail (Not Ice Tea). Now on the face of it, that's an innocent purchase. However, combined with TM's Facebook posts . . . not so innocent at all.



Did TM's drug habits have something to do with his stalking, then sucker-punching Zimmerman?

What you call demonization, might otherwise be categorized as possible motive for TM's conduct that night.

If things happened as Zimmerman described, and given the plethora of evidence, there is no reason whatsoever to presume otherwise, then he has been done a horrendous disservice by those unwilling to seek explaination for Trayvon's actions that night.






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IceTiger
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Martin wasn't a thug...in his own words, he's a gangsta!!!

Dirt bags can be in the right just as adjusted people can be in the wrong...it just didn't happen in this case

So no, VOR, TM painted his own picture, but some are too blind to see his behavior as wrong. Some of the guys I grew up with were white thugs and wanna be gangstas...they were pieces of shite as well.






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VOR
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Actually, NC, I was specifically referring to JohnnyKilroy's post about a portion of this board's posters.

It would seem that you have established the events and behavior of the two guys that night pretty clearly in your mind. I think, and I suspect most of the jury would agree, that things are not so precise. There is no one, other than Zimmerman, who truly knows what was going through his mind nor know the precise events of that night.

And, yes, I really do believe there are a significant number of posters on this subject who had the intent to demonize Martin. Further, they project their own frustration and anger regarding the "black community" and "black thuggery" onto Martin and this case (yeah, yeah, some black people did the same thing from the other side . . . so?). In other words, those posters had their own "agenda" and their own biases on display.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't criticize the jury's verdict. I wasn't in the courtroom.



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ShortyRob
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And, yes, I really do believe there are a significant number of posters on this subject who had the intent to demonize Martin.


That's about like when a fat chick asks if her pants make her butt look big.

It isn't as if there wasn't info out pretty damned quick that made any reasonable person go, "hmm, this Trayvon kid may not be exactly as he appears in that photo".

And, generally speaking, when someone's internet presence gets wiped as fast as possible by those who support him..............well........you figure it out.






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VOR
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It isn't as if there wasn't info out pretty damned quick that made any reasonable person go, "hmm, this Trayvon kid may not be exactly as he appears in that photo".


Doesn't make him a thug or a threat. Again, I don't know if he was or was not.

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And, generally speaking, when someone's internet presence gets wiped as fast as possible by those who support him..............well........you figure it out.



Yep, that's some ironclad proof right there.






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BBONDS25
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More likely than not....he was a thug. Then again, I'm a white Hispanic, so I am biased.





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VOR
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Then again, I'm a white Hispanic, so I am biased.


Clearly.






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NC_Tigah
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Doesn't make him a thug or a threat.


I seem to recall Zimmerman alluding to TM as a guy wandering around other people's homes, in the rain, at night, in a neighborhood which had sustained several break-ins. Doesn't make him a thug, but does make him suspicious. Certainly in my neighborhood, he would have been ID'd quickly, and questioned. If he assaulted our security as he did GZ, it would not end well for him. Just the way it is.






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Mohican
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And, yes, I really do believe there are a significant number of posters on this subject who had the intent to demonize Martin.



So what do we do with that information? Honestly?

If people are actively seeking truth in this case they would not seek to demonize Martin, only to find truth as to how and why he found himself in an altercation with Mr. Zimmerman.

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Further, they project their own frustration and anger regarding the "black community" and "black thuggery" onto Martin and this case (yeah, yeah, some black people did the same thing from the other side . . . so?). In other words, those posters had their own "agenda" and their own biases on display.


Again, what do we do with that information? Those posters represent themselves.

I would also suggest that maybe what is perceived as "demonization" might simply be an attempt to explain how Martin and Zimmerman found themselves in an altercation.

One side has to be demonized, as you put it. Either Zimmerman was defending himself "from something." Or Martin was murdered for "some reason." Whichever side you take in the matter (hopefully based on some evidence and not emotion) you have to project negative connotations on one party or the other. It may not be based on racism but on actively trying to understand how this happened.

If Martin had a history of certain negative behavior then that may lend itself to understanding what happened. If Zimmerman had a history of racism or racial profiling then that might also do the same.






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VOR
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I would also suggest that maybe what is perceived as "demonization" might simply be an attempt to explain how Martin and Zimmerman found themselves in an altercation.

One side has to be demonized, as you put it. Either Zimmerman was defending himself "from something." Or Martin was murdered for "some reason." Whichever side you take in the matter (hopefully based on some evidence and not emotion) you have to project negative connotations on one party or the other. It may not be based on racism but on actively trying to understand how this happened.

If Martin had a history of certain negative behavior then that may lend itself to understanding what happened. If Zimmerman had a history of racism or racial profiling then that might also do the same.


I think some posters are approaching the case in a reasonable manner as you suggest, and some clearly or not.







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IceTiger
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VOR, I don't have to demonize a kid that gets his friends high, I don't have to demonize a kid that refers to himself as a gangsta, I don't have to demonize his activities that previously got himself in trouble...

This kid did that to himself, on purpose...

And to look the other way is to excuse that behavior...

With specific reference to the case, he did not help himself by building that reputation, nor by assaulting someone.






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Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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(2) Zimmerman """profiled""" Martin for behavior, not race.


Yea ok






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NC_Tigah
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Yea ok
You're not familiar with Zimmerman's background?






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