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Wolfhound45
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Thank you for taking a few moments to provide those links. I mean that sincerely.

However, they do not support your assertion that Christians "support" or "rejoice" at the idea of Middle Eastern conflict (a sick and macabre thought). They simply articulate a widely held belief that Israel must exist as a nation prior to the return of the Messiah (there are further allusions to the "fig tree" and the fact that the "abomination of desolation" will occur which means the Temple must be in place).

I will not argue the point that individual Christians (to include this author) do not vote based upon biblical values (we all vote to a greater or lesser extent our values systems). I will also gladly cede the point that biblical values have influenced leadership in past administrations (though not nearly to the extent you would be led to believe). However, I would vehemently reject the notion that national policy is being driven by this current administration based upon a biblical worldview. Nope. Not buying it. It is "realpolitik" for those in the Obama administration. They support Israel simply because it is not politically tenable not to. Just like Guantanomo Bay remaining open.

Thanks for a stimulating discussion. Have a great night.






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Wolfhound45
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When in the history of mankind has this not been true? That's the thing about biblical prophecy. It's just vague enough to sound plausible without pinning down actual places, times, and events.


And the wonderful thing about the country we live in, you are free to express that thought and to not believe.

So why do so many have an issue in the fact that I do believe? Let me be the doddering fool that I am.






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Wolfhound45
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The program I listened to mentioned the Bible and it's teaching as the reason the United States must support Israel in any case of war in the region. They even gave some long diatribe about "whoa unto those American leaders who decide not to come to Israel's aid" yada, yada.

Whether they wish to foment war is something else. Generally speaking I would agree with you that only a minimum number of crazies take that position. But make no mistake, there is a large contingent who wish to subjugate American foreign policy to the notion that Israel is the land of God's "chosen people" and we must defend them because the Bible says so, not because of any rational, American foreign policy interests. As a conservative, these people drive me insane and there are many elected officials that fall into this group.


I appreciate your honest appraisal of the situation. I just would comment on the generality of it. Speak to specific leaders and we could generate some interesting discussion. But the fact that there are many evangelical Christians that believe that Israel should be supported at any cost (and there are) does not automatically translate into national policy, particularly in this day and age.

Have a great night.






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LaBornNRaised
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re: Why "occupied Palestine"? We don't call Mexico "occupied Aztec territory"?


For the millionth time. There is no place on earth that is named Palestine. It was literally conjured up out of thin air and is not real but continues to be perpetrated to show a plight of a segment of people that are evil and want us all dead.





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carbola
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Why is it that every single other country on the face of the earth gets to conquer lands and then just call it as their country. But when Israel conquers land, every single liberal map and crazy government says it's "occupied "


Have you heard of Western Sahara?






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It was literally conjured up out of thin air and is not real but continues to be perpetrated to show a plight of a segment of people that are evil and want us all dead.

You believe that these people are evil and want us all dead?



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BayouBlitz
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Yeah they gotta shut him up before your vagina is filled with the sands of truth.


That's the best troll effort you got?

Why don't you try supporting his argument with actual information.

How do liberals hate Jews? Isn't Hollywood run by the Jews (a talking point of conservatives for 90 years.) What's more liberal than Hollywood?

Where are the biggest concentrations of Jewish? New York City? LA? Both very liberal.

Liberals don't hate Jews or Christians. They just don't want ANY religion to be part of government. Sure there are some fringe elements that take it to the extreme. That can be said of any ideology.






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Beer Bryant
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Jews in the U.S. and Jews in Israel live in two different worlds, and see most political issues much differently.





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JEAUXBLEAUX
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I love when non Jews speak for what Jewish people think here. Liberated Judea and Samaria. Will the US. be giving California back to Mexico?





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CarrolltonTiger
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There is no place on earth that is named Palestine.


Putting aside that the place and people Philistines and Philistia are mentioned more than 250 times in the Hebrew Bible, it is also mentioned continuously in other sources for thepast 14,000 years.







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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Of course there is a place called Palestine. There is also Kurdistan, Tibet, the Basque country, Quebec, etc. I disagree with the politically correct term occupied Palestine. But that doesn't mean Israel shouldn't give back the West Bank in return for a Peace Treaty guaranteeing the cessation of attacks on Israel.





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Beer Bryant
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What makes you think I'm not Jewish? I'm not, but I've got quite a few Jewish friends, albeit of the Conservative bent, who think the Liberal Jews in the U.S. are clueless when it comes to Israeli issues.





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Wolfhound45
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Putting aside that the place and people Philistines and Philistia are mentioned more than 250 times in the Hebrew Bible, it is also mentioned continuously in other sources for thepast 14,000 years.


Strong's Concordance translates Philistine (H6428) 288 times and Palestina, Philistia, Philistine, Palestine a total of eight times (H6429).

And where did the Philistines come from? What is their history? Why do they have a greater claim to the land than the nation of Israel?






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CarrolltonTiger
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What makes you think I'm not Jewish?



For me it would be because you seem very, very stupid and uninformed not just bigoted. I think you are an Evangelical.






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CarrolltonTiger
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Why do they have a greater claim to the land than the nation of Israel?


The land recognized by the international community as theirs? Historical presence and international law. The same international law that recognized/created an Israeli state.






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ApexTiger
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Lefties hate Israel because they worship the God of the Bible, the same reason they hate Christians. Any other religion, you're cool.



none of this makes sense






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Wolfhound45
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The land recognized by the international community as theirs? Historical presence and international law. The same international law that recognized/created an Israeli state.


Israel has historical presence. Does international law not apply to them? Apparently the international community recognized them in 1948. Is Palestine a member of the United Nations?






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constant cough
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The problem is people act like the Palestinians that are in modern Palestine are the same as the biblical Palestinians.

They're not. They're just a bunch of Arab Muslims living there now. Biblical Palestinians are long gone.

Muslims got all "their land" through conquest and should be given nothing. If anything we need a new crusade to finish off the muslims once and for good.

There are Christians right now in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon,etc. who are being driven off their lands but I don't see anyone championing their rights.



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CarrolltonTiger
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The problem is people act like the Palestinians that are in modern Palestine are the same as the biblical Palestinians.


Neither are the people that are modern Israeli's.

If you care about such things the fact is based upon DNA testing the present day palestinians are more genetically akin to ancient Palestinians than are the modern Israeli's are to Semites of the Bible.

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Muslims got all "their land" through conquest and should be given nothing.


An ironic comment coming form a lover of Zion.






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constant cough
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If you care about such things the fact is based upon DNA testing the present day palestinians are more genetically akin to ancient Palestinians than are the modern Israeli's are to Semites of the Bible.


That's not a fact at all. Just cause you claim it does not make it so.






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