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Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:55 am
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:55 am
Does anyone actually root for Achilles in this movie? He is such a dick..
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Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:56 am to brmark70816
frick that guy. & frick Paris's bitch arse too. Hector was a boss tho.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:04 am to StealthCalais11
Hector was awesome. Just heartbreaking to watch him die and then be dragged away..
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:55 am to brmark70816
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He is such a dick..
There are several dicks in this movie. Achilles isn't one. Agamemnon and Paris are the main ones. Oh and Helen is a whore.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 3:13 am to brmark70816
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Hector was awesome
the only guy I was pulling for the whole movie, hoped everyone else died. that fight scene between Bana and Pitt is one of the more underrated in movie history.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 5:41 am to JJ27
quote:basically this
There are several dicks in this movie. Achilles isn't one. Agamemnon and Paris are the main ones. Oh and Helen is a whore.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 6:29 am to brmark70816
Hell yes I rooted for Achilles. He knew he would die if he fought in the war. He basically said, "Death, come at me bro. Everyone is going to know that I was the baddest mofo that ever lived, son!" Then he proceeded to wreck shite throughout the movie. He was also the only Greek who wouldn't kiss Agamemnon's arse, going so far to threaten him in his own tent.
Hector was a great warrior, worthy of respect. When he killed Patroclus, Achilles had to get in that arse. Not that there was any dishonor in what Hector did, he thought Patroclus was Achilles. But you can't blame Achilles for being pissed off at Hector about it. What Achilles did to Hector's body wasn't his finest moment, especially considering that he knew Hector was an honorable man. He did make amends for that after Priam went to his tent, though.
At the end, Achilles died to save the woman he loved. He was ready to leave Troy, and possibly have his name unknown to history, to be with Briseis. I feel he had pretty well redeemed himself of his sins by the end. He even apologized and kissed Eudoras before sending his men home, because he didn't want them to be a part of such wanton slaughter of innocent women and children.
Paris, Helen and Agamemnon are the real pigs of the story. Helen was a slut, and obviously she helped bring down all of Troy. Paris was the worst...not only was he a wife-stealing coward, but his role was the greatest in the destruction of Troy. He was a Prince of Troy, and he put his own selfish desires before the lives of all those he loved. May he find no rest in the bowels of Hades.
Serious bidness
Hector was a great warrior, worthy of respect. When he killed Patroclus, Achilles had to get in that arse. Not that there was any dishonor in what Hector did, he thought Patroclus was Achilles. But you can't blame Achilles for being pissed off at Hector about it. What Achilles did to Hector's body wasn't his finest moment, especially considering that he knew Hector was an honorable man. He did make amends for that after Priam went to his tent, though.
At the end, Achilles died to save the woman he loved. He was ready to leave Troy, and possibly have his name unknown to history, to be with Briseis. I feel he had pretty well redeemed himself of his sins by the end. He even apologized and kissed Eudoras before sending his men home, because he didn't want them to be a part of such wanton slaughter of innocent women and children.
Paris, Helen and Agamemnon are the real pigs of the story. Helen was a slut, and obviously she helped bring down all of Troy. Paris was the worst...not only was he a wife-stealing coward, but his role was the greatest in the destruction of Troy. He was a Prince of Troy, and he put his own selfish desires before the lives of all those he loved. May he find no rest in the bowels of Hades.
Serious bidness
Posted on 5/25/13 at 6:49 am to Yat27
Yeah, it's hard not to root for Achilles, having grown up with the Homeric tales. One of history's earliest "Superman" heroes. His actions and role in the story make him immortal, but it was the physicians that made him a household name. It's kind of brilliant, actually. In all of human history, they'll never change the name of a body part. Dude's name will never die.
The movie sucked, though, despite the Aniston sideboob cameo.
The movie sucked, though, despite the Aniston sideboob cameo.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 6:59 am to blueboy
After I typed all that out I had to laugh, because it's not even a good movie.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 7:57 am to Yat27
I don't think Helen was bad. She ended up married to a brute she obviously didn't love and someone better came along.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 8:42 am to biglego
To be honest, the gods are to blame for all of this. People don't understand. The ancient Greeks believed the gods to be cruel and manipulative, and they arranged for all of this to happen just so they could jerk off to the drama.
There's an old Star Trek episode (the famous one in which Kirk kisses Uhura) that depicts the "gods" how they were perceived by the ancients. Their "faith" was an odd mixture of fear, respect and disdain.
I can understand why they were left out of the movie, but as far as the story goes, they are the puppet masters.
There's an old Star Trek episode (the famous one in which Kirk kisses Uhura) that depicts the "gods" how they were perceived by the ancients. Their "faith" was an odd mixture of fear, respect and disdain.
I can understand why they were left out of the movie, but as far as the story goes, they are the puppet masters.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 8:48 am to brmark70816
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Does anyone actually root for Achilles in this movie?
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he is a dick and a primadonna, but he is much more interesting than any other character. he is one of the very few that doesnt have his head up his arse
to me, hector is the one that doesnt deserve much sympathy. he could save his city, his wife, and his son by returning helen. yet he chooses and keeps choosing to save his spoiled, childish brother.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:01 am to corndeaux
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to me, hector is the one that doesnt deserve much sympathy. he could save his city
I thought this was discussed in the movie, and the conclusion was that returning Helen would not mend things.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:03 am to biglego
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I thought this was discussed in the movie, and the conclusion was that returning Helen would not mend things.
Yeah, Agamemnon wasn't going to just pack up and leave if they have Helen back. Hector was a swell guy.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:05 am to blueboy
Omitting the gods from the movie was a wise decision IMO but you're right.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:12 am to Yat27
Messenger boy: This Thesselonian...he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him.
Achilles: That's why no one will remember your name.
Awesome quote.
Achilles: That's why no one will remember your name.
Awesome quote.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:18 am to biglego
Perhaps...I get the Iliad and the movie confused.
The movie makes the war seem to last 10 days, but how long will the Greeks stay if they complete the objective of the war?
The biggest problem I have with the movie is the killing of Menelaus.
The movie makes the war seem to last 10 days, but how long will the Greeks stay if they complete the objective of the war?
The biggest problem I have with the movie is the killing of Menelaus.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:23 am to biglego
The Iliad is a great story, but The Odyssey is more compelling. And Odysseus is a better overall character.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:30 am to lsufan9193969700
patroclis was NOT achilles' cousin. he was actually his lover. back then....christianity hadn't put the "gay" rules into effect yet.
i've read alot about achilles in the past.
i've read alot about achilles in the past.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:34 am to oldcharlie8
Why are you telling this to me?
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