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Does Shabazz remind anyone else of Harrison Barnes
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:24 am
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:24 am
I feel like scouts were saying the same kind of things about Harrison Barnes that they're now saying about Shabazz.
Barnes, like Shabazz, was considered one of the best players coming out of high school and somewhat underwhelmed everyone in college. And some people were a little worried about Barnes' attitude as well.
I haven't watched Shabazz pay much but a few of the things I've read about his game reminded me of last year when I was reading about Barnes. They're both known for their scoring and Barnes was/is considered really good athlete while Shabazz is also considered a decent athlete. I'm asking this because Barnes has really started to come into his own recently and I wonder if Shabazz will do the same. At the next level.
I know a bunch of people on here (VOR) are already calling him a bust. And he's not necessarily my #1 choice but watching Barnes this year just goes to show that we shouldn't write a player off just because he had a underwhelming fr/so year and has some Maturity questions.
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Barnes, like Shabazz, was considered one of the best players coming out of high school and somewhat underwhelmed everyone in college. And some people were a little worried about Barnes' attitude as well.
I haven't watched Shabazz pay much but a few of the things I've read about his game reminded me of last year when I was reading about Barnes. They're both known for their scoring and Barnes was/is considered really good athlete while Shabazz is also considered a decent athlete. I'm asking this because Barnes has really started to come into his own recently and I wonder if Shabazz will do the same. At the next level.
I know a bunch of people on here (VOR) are already calling him a bust. And he's not necessarily my #1 choice but watching Barnes this year just goes to show that we shouldn't write a player off just because he had a underwhelming fr/so year and has some Maturity questions.
Obligatory TL;DR
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:29 am to Hazelnut
I keep flip flopping on Bazz. I don't think he'll be an all star or anything like that, but I can see him eventually as a 6th man role ala Crawford or JR Smith.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:49 am to WB504
I keep going back and forth on him too. But I think he will ultimately end up being a good player unless he ends up on the wrong type of team.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:52 am to Hazelnut
I think Shabazz will become a starter in this league, but it is going to take some time to develop. He needs to learn how to use his right hand better and he needs to work on his rebounding and passing the ball. The scoring factor is definitely there for him, but I would be upset if the Pels pull a lottery pick and select this guy. Wouldn't mind taking him 5-7 though
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:53 am to Hazelnut
Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:00 am to mmonro3
Yea I don't think I'd want him for picks 1-3. But if we had picks 5-8 I think I'd be good with us taking him
Oops my bad
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corndeaux
Oops my bad
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 11:01 am
Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:09 am to Hazelnut
I'm probably in the minority here, but I think Shabazz immediately upgrades our SF position and can be a legit starter here.
I think he starts from day 1 if he is drafted here and we don't sign anyone at SF in FA.
I'm actually really hoping we pick him.
I think he starts from day 1 if he is drafted here and we don't sign anyone at SF in FA.
I'm actually really hoping we pick him.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:20 am to Hazelnut
I think in the right situation..
He can come in the league average 10-12 points a game..
The key to me is....How much better can he be?
He can come in the league average 10-12 points a game..
The key to me is....How much better can he be?
Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:21 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I think Shabazz immediately upgrades our SF position and can be a legit starter here.
I think the majority here believe a monkey with down syndrome would be a upgrade at SF.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:41 am to Hazelnut
its all good
the stats are eerily similar. im fine with shabazz as the pick. if he can do what barnes did during the regular season, that is a great draft for the pels
the stats are eerily similar. im fine with shabazz as the pick. if he can do what barnes did during the regular season, that is a great draft for the pels
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:21 pm to corndeaux
For sure. We probably won't get a star out of this draft. But getting a solid role player (and one on a rookie deal) would do wonders for us.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:51 am to Hazelnut
This dude is a selfish me-first player, who could really kill the Pelican team chemistry without a strong veteran-locker room guy to keep him in check.
While he's not my first choice of players to draft, he can definitely score the rock.
While he's not my first choice of players to draft, he can definitely score the rock.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:54 am to Hazelnut
Skip Bayless just said Shabazz will be the steal of the draft. 
Posted on 5/21/13 at 12:04 pm to Hazelnut
I thought about this and posted something similar during the combine thread. Though I don't think that he really performed that well and he only measured in at 6-6 IIRC, which concerns me
Posted on 5/21/13 at 12:35 pm to Gtothemoney
Good article, and there are a lot of similarities. I think the main issue people have posted on here about is that he's too small/slow to play the 3.
Harrison Barnes: 6'8", 215 lbs, 38" no-step vert, 39.5" max vert, 15 bench, 10.93 agility, 3.16 sprint, 6' 11.25" wingspan, 8' 5.5" standing reach
Shabazz Muhammad 6'6.25" 222 lbs, 29.5 no-step vert, 37.0" max vert, N/A bench, 10.99 agility, 3.32 sprint, 6' 11" wingspan, 8' 8.5" standing reach
Thought this was interesting: LINK
Harrison Barnes: 6'8", 215 lbs, 38" no-step vert, 39.5" max vert, 15 bench, 10.93 agility, 3.16 sprint, 6' 11.25" wingspan, 8' 5.5" standing reach
Shabazz Muhammad 6'6.25" 222 lbs, 29.5 no-step vert, 37.0" max vert, N/A bench, 10.99 agility, 3.32 sprint, 6' 11" wingspan, 8' 8.5" standing reach
Thought this was interesting: LINK
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Notes: Shabazz is afflicted with Tourette's Syndrome, though has seemingly dealt with it quite well. Still there are side effects sometimes associated with Tourettes that must be considered (depression, OCD, ADD) ... Some say there may be character issues, especially after finding out his father misled the media regarding his age ... While the question marks surrounding his age are legitimate, he was always a proficient scorer at any level playing against his own age group and even against older competition ... Wings with his ability to score the basketball, as well as possessing his athleticism, length and energy are still a relatively rare commodity in the NBA ...
Posted on 5/21/13 at 12:38 pm to Suntiger
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Harrison Barnes: 6'8", 215 lbs, 38" no-step vert, 39.5" max vert, 15 bench, 10.93 agility, 3.16 sprint, 6' 11.25" wingspan, 8' 5.5" standing reach
Shabazz Muhammad 6'6.25" 222 lbs, 29.5 no-step vert, 37.0" max vert, N/A bench, 10.99 agility, 3.32 sprint, 6' 11" wingspan, 8' 8.5" standing reach
The bold numbers can't be right
I didn't know that he had Tourette's. That's interesting
Posted on 5/21/13 at 1:06 pm to Hazelnut
I need to go bump the threads from last year before the draft. I was getting in multiple page arguments over Barnes as a draft prospect. Everybody was bashing me because I thought he was going to be really good. But to answer the original posters question, this guy doesn't compare to Barnes. They are a totally different type of player. Shabazz doesn't have the size of Barnes and he isn't close to being the same type of athlete. I also think Barnes is more skilled offensively.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 2:02 pm to Cap Crunch
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The bold numbers can't be right
That's what they had. With the height and wingspan, I can't see that being right though. I'd guess Shabazz is 8'3.5".
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I didn't know that he had Tourette's. That's interesting
I wonder if that's why some people think he has 'attitude problems'.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 2:07 pm to dj30
Barnes is the better athlete, but that doesnt necessarily mean anything. According to DX, Shabazz has similar measurables as Caron Butler and Ruben Patterson, so sfs that size can make it in the league
As 20 yo college players Barnes/Shabazz had basically identical numbers. That also doesnt necessarily mean anything but I wouldnt mind them taking a chance to find out
As 20 yo college players Barnes/Shabazz had basically identical numbers. That also doesnt necessarily mean anything but I wouldnt mind them taking a chance to find out
Posted on 5/21/13 at 2:09 pm to Suntiger
No way Barnes has a 38" standing vert either
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