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Post Your All-LSU Football Team for 1926-1950


1st Team
QB - Y.A. Tittle, 1944-1947 (Marshall, TX)
RB - Steve Van Buren, 1941-1943 (New Orleans, LA)
RB - Ebert Van Buren, 1948-1950 (Metairie, LA) [born in Honduras]
B - Abe Mickal, 1933-1935 (McComb, MS) [born in Lebanon]
E - Gaynell "Gus" Tinsley, 1934-1936 (Homer, LA)
E - Ken Kavanaugh Sr., 1937-1939 (Little Rock, AR)
T - Jess O. Tinsley, 1926-1928 (Haynesville, LA)
G - J.W. Goree, 1938-1940 (Haynesville, LA)
C - Marvin "Moose" Stewart, 1934-1936 (Picayune, MS)
G - Felix Trapani, 1943-1945 (Donaldsonville, LA)
T - Eddie Gatto, 1936-1938 (New Orleans, LA)
Head Coach: Lawrence M. "Biff" Jones, 1932-1934

2nd Team
QB - Young Bussey, 1937-1939 (Houston, TX)
FB - Albin Harrell "Rip" Collins, 1945-1948 (Baton Rouge, LA)
B - Alvin Dark, 1942 (Lake Charles, LA)
B - Kenneth Konz, 1948-1950 (Weimar, TX)
E - Abner Wimberly, 1943, 1946-1948 (Oak Ridge, LA)
E - Mel Lyle, 1946-1949 (El Dorado, AR)
T - Ray Collins, 1947-1949 (Shreveport, LA)
G-T - Allen Hover, 1948-1950 (Memphis, TN)
C - Richard Gormley, 1936-1938 (Tyler, TX)
T-G - Joe Hartley, 1943-1944 (St. Petersburg, FL)
T - Fred N. Land, 1944-1947 (North Little Rock, AR)
Head Coach: Bernie Moore, 1935-1947

Honorable Mentions
B - Gene "Red" Knight, 1943-1946 (Bossier City, LA)
B - Dan Sandifer, 1945, 1947-1949 (Shreveport, LA)
FB - Zollie Toth, 1944-1947 (Pocahontas, VA)
B - Jim Cason, 1944-1947 (Victoria, TX)
B - Ray Coates, 1944-1947 (New Orleans, LA)


NFL Hall of Fame
Y.A. Tittle
Steve Van Buren

All-Americans, 1933-1950
1935 - Gaynell "Gus" Tinsley, E (AP)
1936 - Gaynell "Gus" Tinsley, E (AP)
1935 - Marvin "Moose" Stewart, C (Helms)
1936 - Marvin "Moose" Stewart, C (Helms)
1939 - Ken Kavanaugh Sr., E (AP)

First-Team All-SEC AP Selections, 1933-1950
1933 - Jack Torrance (Sr.), T
1934 - Justin Rukas (Jr.), T
1934 - Abe Mickal (Jr.), B
1935 - Gaynell Tinsley (Jr.), E
1935 - Jesse Fatheree (Sr.), B
1935 - Bill Crass (Jr.), B
1936 - Gaynell Tinsley (Sr.), E
1936 - Wardell Leisk (Sr.), G
1937 - Eddie Gatto (Jr.), T
1938 - Eddie Gatto (Sr.), T
1938 - Ken Kavanaugh Sr. (Jr.), E
1939 - Ken Kavanaugh Sr. (Sr.), E
1939 - John Goree (Jr.), G
1940 - N/A
1941 - N/A
1942 - N/A
1943 - Joe Hartley (Jr.), T
1943 - Steve Van Buren (Sr.), B
1944 - N/A
1945 - Felix Trapani (Sr.), G
1945 - Gene Knight (Jr.), B
1946 - Wren Worley (So.), G
1947 - Rip Collins (Jr.), FB
1948 - N/A
1949 - Allen Hover (Jr.), G
1949 - Sam Lyle (Sr.), E
1950 - Ken Konz (Sr.), B

Top 60 NFL Draft Picks, 1936-1951
#5. Steve Van Buren (1944)
#6. Y.A. Tittle (1948) (picked #3 in 1951)
#7. Ebert Van Buren (1951)
#12. Gus Tinsley (1937)
#14. Kenny Konz (1951)
#16. Rip Collins (1951)
#17. Red Knight (1947)
#18. Marv Stewart (1937)
#22. Ken Kavanaugh (1940)
#25. Alvin Dark (1945)
#28. Dan Sandifer (1948)
#33. Eddie Gallo (1939)
#37. Ray Collins (1950)
#42. Zollie Toth (1950)
#53. Abe Mickal (1936)
#55. Jim Cason (1948)
#58. Ray Coates (1948)


Coaches
"Iron" Mike Donahue (20-14-2), 1924-1927
Russ Cohen (23-13-1), 1928-1931
Lawrence M. "Biff" Jones (20-5-6; 4-0 in SoCo; 7-2-2 in SEC), 1932-1934
Bernie Moore (83-39-6; 43-28-4), 1935-1947
Gaynell "Gus" Tinsley (15-15-2; 7-10-2), 1948-1950


Seasons
1926, 6-3 (3-3 in SoCo) (#19 JHowell power ranking)
1927, 4-4-1 (2-3-1 in SoCo) (#60)
1928, 6-2-1 (3-1-1 in SoCo) (#24)
1929, 6-3 (3-1 in SoCo) (#57)
1930, 6-4 (2-3 in SoCo) (#51)
1931, 5-4 (2-2 in SoCo) (#49) [first night game in Tiger Stadium takes place]
1932, 6-3-1 (3-0 in SoCo) (#21) [first conference title in LSU history]
1933, 7-0-3 (3-0-2 in SEC) (#5)
1934, 7-2-2 (4-2) (#6)
1935, 9-2 (5-0) (#4) [first SEC title in LSU history]
1936, 9-1-1 (6-0) (#2)
1937, 9-2 (5-1) (#6) [first season with doubled stadium capacity due to WPA dorms]
1938, 6-4 (2-4) (#23)
1939, 4-5 (1-5) (#45)
1940, 6-4 (3-3) (#41)
1941, 4-4-2 (2-2-2) (#39)
1942, 7-3 (3-2) (#17)
1943, 6-3 (2-2) (#30) [LSU one of only 4 teams to play in the SEC this season]
1944, 2-5-1 (2-3-1) (#60)
1945, 7-2 (5-2) (#9)
1946, 9-1-1 (5-1) (#6)
1947, 5-3-1 (2-3-1) (#28)
1948, 3-7 (1-5) (#73)
1949, 8-3 (4-2) (#15)
1950, 4-5-2 (2-3-2) (#43)

Final AP Rankings LINK
1936 - #2
1937 - #8
1945 - #15
1946 - #8
1949 - #8


Final AP Polls for 1943 & 1944...

1943
1. Notre Dame
2. Iowa Pre-Flight* (Iowa City, IA)
3. Michigan
4. Navy* (Annapolis, MD)
5. Purdue
6. Great Lakes Navy* (North Chicago, IL)
7. Duke
8. Del Monte Pre-Flight* (Monterey, CA)
9. Northwestern
10. March Field* (Riverside, CA)
11. Army* (West Point, NY)
12. Washington
13. Georgia Tech
14. Texas
15. Tulsa
16. Dartmouth
17. Bainbridge NTS* (Bainbridge, MD)
18. Colorado Col.
19. Pacific
20. Pennsylvania

1944
1. Army* (West Point, NY)
2. Ohio State
3. Randolph Field* (San Antonio, TX)
4. Navy* (Annapolis, MD)
5. Bainbridge NTS* (Bainbridge, MD)
6. Iowa Pre-Flight* (Iowa City, IA)
7. USC
8. Michigan
9. Notre Dame
10. March Field* (Riverside, CA)
11. Duke
12. Tennessee
13t. Georgia Tech
13t. Norman Pre-Flight* (Norman, OK)
15. Illinois
16. El Toro Marines* (Irvine, CA)
17. Great Lakes Navy* (North Chicago, IL)
18. Fort Pierce* (Fort Pierce, FL)
19. St. Mary's Pre-Flight* (Moraga, CA)
20. Second Air Force* (Tacoma, WA)


"Young Bussey, Young Stud" thread: LINK.
The 2012 LSU Football Media Guide: LINK.
LSU Football All-Time Letterwinners: LINK.
JHowell Power Rankings: LINK.
JHowell LSU Seasons: LINK.
LSU Season History on TigerDroppings: LINK.
Tiger Stadium Expansion History: LINK.
Pro Football Reference Webpage for LSU: LINK.
Wikipedia Webpage of CFB National Champions: LINK.



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1935 College Football Season

Pre Bowl National Titles
Billingsley, Litkenhous, Boand, & Poling NC - Minnesota (8-0)
Dickinson & Houlgate NC - SMU (12-0)
Williamson NC - TCU (11-1) & LSU (9-1)
Dunkel NC - Princeton (9-0)
No AP Rankings.

Stanford 7, SMU 0 (Rose Bowl)
TCU 3, LSU 2 (Sugar Bowl)
Catholic 20, Ole Miss 19 (Orange Bowl)

quote:

In New Orleans, the second annual Sugar Bowl pitted Texas Christian (TCU) (11-1-0) against SEC champion Louisiana State (LSU) (9-1-0) before a crowd of 38,000. TCU's Sammy Baugh, later to go on to NFL fame, was forced out of the end zone on a pass attempt, and the safety gave LSU a 2-0 lead. Two minutes later, Baugh drove the Frogs to the 17 yard line, setting up Taldon Malton's field goal. The final score was TCU 3, LSU 2 [13]




1936 College Football Season

Pre Bowl National Titles
Billingsley, Litkenhous, Dickinson, Dunkel, & Poling NC - Minnesota (7-1)
Williamson NC - LSU (9-0-1)
Boand & Houlgate NC - Pitt (7-1-1)

Pre Bowl AP Poll
1. Minnesota, 7-1 ... IDLE
2. Louisiana State, 9-0-1 ... SUGAR
3. Pittsburgh, 7-1-1 ... ROSE

Pittsburgh 21, Washington 0 (Rose Bowl)
Santa Clara 21, LSU 14 (Sugar Bowl)
Duquesne 13, Miss. St. 12 (Orange Bowl)
TCU 16, Marquette 6 (Cotton Bowl)

quote:

"There is no longer any blot left on Pittsburgh's Rose Bowl escutcheon," wrote Grantland Rice. "Here was a Panther who belonged to the jungle and not to the zoo-- a fast, hard driving slashing Panther who put both fang and claw to work in beating Washington's Huskies 21 to 0 before 87,200 chilly witnesses.".[5]

Pitt had been ranked #3 by the AP, behind #2 LSU, which met Santa Clara in the Sugar Bowl. #1 ranked Minnesota, like other Big Ten teams, was not allowed to play postseason. LSU had lost the previous Sugar Bowl to TCU, by a 3-2 score. A crowd of 41,000 turned out in New Orleans, only to see the Tigers lose again. The Santa Clara Broncos took a 14-0 lead in the first quarter and won 21-14.[6]

A crowd of 17,000 turned out in Dallas to watch the first Cotton Bowl Classic. Sammy Baugh of Texas Christian completed only 5 of 13 pass attempts, but had 110 yards, a touchdown, and the win, as TCU beat Marquette 16-6.[7]



Paul Williamson, the man who awarded LSU two math system national titles in 1935 & 1936, turns out to have been a New Orleans geologist who was on the Sugar Bowl Committee. :/

According to a SI article, the story goes like this ( LINK):

quote:

Polls and systems to determine the No. 1 team are not nearly so ancient as the mere naming of the "intercollegiate champion" by a Casper Whitney or a J. Parmly Paret. Ironically enough, they can be traced back only 40 years, to none other than good old Knute Rockne at good old Notre Dame.

It happened like this. In 1926 a teacher of economics named Frank G. Dickinson at the University of Illinois was a football buff who privately enjoyed rating teams by his own mathematical formula. He happened to mention this in class one day, and a student in the back row who was sports editor of The Daily Mini wrote a story about it. The story came to the attention of a Chicago clothing manufacturer named Jack Rissman, another football buff, who decided he would like to use Dickinson's ratings to select the top team in the Big Ten each year so that he could present a trophy to the winner. When Knute Rockne heard about this, he invited both the professor and the clothing manufacturer to lunch at South Bend and said, "Why don't you make it a national trophy that Notre Dame will have a chance to win?" Never one to miss out on a good thing, Rockne also persuaded Dickinson and Rissman to predate the whole thing a couple of years so that the 1924 Irish—the Four Horsemen team—could be the first official, system-rated national champion. Notre Dame has always had a lot of ways to beat you.

For better or for worse, Dickinson's system was relatively simple. At the end of a season he divided all teams into two categories—those that won more games than they lost, and those that did not. He then awarded points for victories over teams in the first division and fewer points for victories over teams in the second division. Quality of schedule was not a factor but, just as inequitably, the number of games played was, except for bowls. Still, the Dickinson system was accepted by football fans as the law until well into the 1930s. By then a lot of other systems had been originated.

The first followed Dickinson by one year. It was perfected by a man in Los Angeles named Deke Houlgate who would later write a ponderous 9-x-13 work titled The Football Thesaurus. Houlgate bluntly admitted that his rating system, begun in 1927, was designed to counter the "Midwest sectionalism" of Dickinson's.

Next came William F. Boand with a system called "Azzi Ratem" in 1928. His selections were published annually in The Illustrated Football Annual, and, like Dickinson, he predated his choices back to 1924. Curiously, for the 1937 edition of the magazine Boand went back 13 years and "rerated" the top teams, taking bowl results into consideration.

The syndicated experts came on the scene in 1929 with the emergence of Dick Dunkel's "power index." Paul Williamson, a geologist by profession and a member of the Sugar Bowl committee, began his widely accepted "power ratings" in 1932. And Frank Litkenhous and his brother Edward started his "difference-by-score" formula in 1934. Aside from their not overly revealing names, the details of how these systems work have been kept a close secret by the various inventors.



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No thanks, Kafka





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Zollie Toth was so slow they timed him with a sun dial.

Abe should be 2nd team at best, he was injured 3 times and finish his last 2 years at LSU on the 2nd team.

You are leaving off a good lineman in Wilsonform the late 20's early 30's and one of the 3-4 best backs in that time frame in Fatheree.

At end you have to place Barrett on the second team.

Young Bussy, his drinking and fighting kept him on the 2nd team most of the time and 3rd some of the time.

Ebert is very hard to place on 1st team when you see Alvin, Fatheree on film.






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ain't Young Bussey a rapper?

Wipe me down






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Damn Doc, that's thorough!







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Thanks for putting this up here Doc. I always ask do you have any further info on '38-40 teams? While they weren't the best teams in the history of LSU they are very special years to my family. I have some info and a lot of awards and pictures and such but always looking for more info.





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quote:

You are leaving off a good lineman in Wilsonform the late 20's early 30's and one of the 3-4 best backs in that time frame in Fatheree.

At end you have to place Barrett on the second team.


I had made notes about Fatheree and was going to include him, but I think he just got lost in my scribbling.

I will look into Fatz & Roy Wilson and Jack & Woodrow Barrett. There are just so many lineman from this era that get lost in the shuffle, so it's difficult to try to keep track of them.







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I can give you lettermen and other basic widely-available information, but I think tigger1 is the guy you want to go to for more detailed historical information.

theantiquetiger might know more about getting your hands on memorabilia from that time.






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Oh, I also forgot to mention that Abe Mickal, Gus Tinsley, & Ken Kavanaugh Sr., were all inducted into the CFB HOF for playing for LSU during this era. Moreover, Mike Donahue, Biff Jones, & Bernie Moore, were all inducted as coaches.

The only LSU inductees from before this era were Doc Fenton and Coach Dana Bible (mostly for what he accomplished coaching at Nebraska & Texas in the 30's & 40's).

I would post a link to the CFB HOF website, but it's all messed up now that they made the move from South Bend to Atlanta. Right now it looks like the people in Atlanta don't have their stuff well organized.






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Thanks again Doc. Ken Kavanaugh was my grandfather's best friend at LSU. They roomed together the four years they were there. Trigger1 if you see this post I would be interested in talking with you. I may have some info that would be useful from 38-40 and would love to see if you have anything from that time period.





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