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Harvesting timber on 20 acres



We recently inherited about 20 acres in walker with good timber. We would like to do some kind of select cut but not sure where to start. Who are some reputable companies to get a quote and any idea on what the timber might bring in the area? Land located near walker south road.






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Find three loggers and let them bid on it. Tell each one you have 2 other groups looking at the job.

Make sure they are bonded and insured.

Have a contract that allows for penalty if more timber is cut than you want.






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AthensTiger
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Lots of unknowns here but assuming you have a fully stocked stand of pine, it needs to be thinned right. Letting just anyone have at it is not a good idea. Pine saw timber prices are still down but pulpwood is good. See timber mart south. Call a consultant forester.





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Do not trust loggers to do anything correctly. That is why we, as foresters, have to check in on them at least once every two days. Most of them are stupid, and in the past few years have begun to act like they understand forestry. They either try and make the most money, or do the same thing for every single stand of timber. They do not know how to manage timber.

A forester will ensure everything goes correctly and prices that you get paid are correct. He will also ensure the total long-term growth and health of the stand from what your desires are, no matter how tiny. These are things that most people, especially loggers, don't understand.

You may need to clearcut and start over again, who knows. I haven't seen the property.

North of the interstate in Livingston Parish can be cut virtually any time of the year. South of the interstate holds much more water, and unless drainage is good, you have a 2-3 month window to cut without destroying the property.


Call Steve Fontenot of Good Hope Land & Timber (225)328-9928. One of the best and highest quality mixed hardwood pine and planted pine timber guys around. Should have probably 5-10 jobs in a 50 mile radius around there, and lives in north Livinsgton, so it shouldn't be a problem for him to stop by and at least give you advice.

Also have a buddy named Jeff Sanders that just graduated from LSU. He and his dad(30yrs as a forester) work together. Phone number is (225)954-0609.

I have cut smaller tracts with him in that area, and used to work with Steve. We cut anything from 10ac to a square mile.


Recent timber prices can be found on the LA Ag and Forestry website. Here is the link Timber prices by year and quarter


Here is the Q4 2012 prices. Look at Q1-Q4 to get an idea of how the prices vary throughout the year.




Any more questions just ask






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Nuff said





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I have some land as well. Northwest LA. How much per acre is this? Never had it done before. I have 44 acres.





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honestly, you need to be very careful what you agree to or you will have one hell of a mess on your property when all is said and done...





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And is the market good to pursue this? Or is it better to wait since the housing market is coming back?





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Very odd questions. Your property could go from $500/ac to $20k/ac. Could have oil, minerals, etc.

No way to just generically saw what 44ac in North LA is worth

As far as pursuing it, just depends on what you have. Trees could be at the end of their life cycle for all I know






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told yall hamma time would go boss on this shite





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Hammertime, I'm hoping to thin some property for the first time this year. One 40 acres parcel of mixed, mostly pine is probably past due at around 20 years old. Another 80 acre parcel is probably in need of a few years more growth, at least the majority but I'd like it done where needed.

I use the land for hunting and want to cut to maximize this aspect honestly more than the profit gained. Do you run into this often (I assume you are a forester)? Do you have any advice? I have a list of foresters in my area (Monroe County, AL) but no clue who to hire as the consultant. Should I use someone who consults only or someone employed by a timber/logging company? I'd really like a forester to give me the truth and recommendations on loggers who can do the thinning to maximize my hunting and cause the least amount of headaches and issues...also if you have someone you'd recommend in my area they would be my first call! TIA!






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quote:

Hammertime


OP, listen to Hammer






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CharleyLake
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Hammertime,

Last month I had one acre (of an 80 acre parcel) "bullhogged" at a deep discounted rate because the company was moving their equipment away from the area. The thought occured to me that there might be a small value for the timber. I could identify water oak, swamp white oak, maple magnolia, birch, yaupon and some species of pine.I expect that this real estate would be on the market in a few months. It is zoned light industrial.

Could you provide me a contact number that could evaluate this parcel in the Sulphur (Calcasieu Parish) area?






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you can't just bid a select cut without first hiring a consulting forester to mark the trees to be cut. So, to answer your question, hire a consulting forester. Tell him what kind of cut you want, and he will go out with a paint gun and put a paint mark on the tree at breast height and one at the stump that will still show after its cut. Then you get three companies to bid on the marked timber.





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cmlsu
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Thanks guys! Very good info. I will take your advice hammer.





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Believe it or not, a lot of the bigger timber companies lease out their timber land to hunting clubs. I know of a few properties that are straight plantation pine, and use game trails and food plots to their advantage. They also employ wildlife biologists to advise them on what to do because they have now found out how much money can be make for multi-use stands. I know of a couple of properties down here that make a fair amount off of letting people have bee boxes on their land.

If it is mixed HWP(hardwood/pine), you are gonna want to thin the pine and take out the hardwoods that are past their prime and may be rotting out or reducing the growth potential of other trees. One the other hand, you can also take out smaller saplings to help the larger trees grow better/faster. Trees grow in an area based loosely off of topography, which also controls soil type. You will get pine trees in more acidic soils, and in younger sections, and oak trees in other older sections.

Without seeing the property or knowing the location of mills in your area, I couldn't tell you what would come out of there as far as types of lumber and the value of it.

People who work for a timber company probably have a non-compete clause somewhere in their hiring, and wouldn't be able to cruise your property unless you had plans of selling it to them. Use a consulting forester, and to be honest, you can have 2 or 3 come out there and give you advice as to what you need to do.

Pine tree forestry is the easiest kind because their are growth numbers for your area that include things like soil type mainly. Everything is already mapped out for them and they have to do no work. Hardwood forestry is basically an art. You can have two foresters with 30 years experience, trying to reach the same objective, and they will disagree on the prescription. Mixed HWP is a little easier because you can manipulate the interior and edges to change the stand to hardwoods, making funnels for animals.


Don't know anyone in that area though, sorry. Tell them you want to maximize the property for hunting, but also need the money for something. If you don't say anything about the money, you might get ripped off. Sad to say, but people do this.




FWIW, Weyerhauser and Soterra clearcut anywhere between 17 and 24 yrs old. We have some of the best soil for pine growth in the country though.






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you can't just bid a select cut without first hiring a consulting forester to mark the trees to be cut


sure you can, you just specify what you want cut and your Forester can supervise the logging to make sure they are following the prescription.

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hire a consulting forester


absolutely






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All of that would probably go to pulpwood mills because they aren't optimal trees for being sawtimber. Water oak is the main thing of value there, and they are probably rotted out.

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you can't just bid a select cut without first hiring a consulting forester to mark the trees to be cut
If you have a good enough logger, you dont have to mark trees. You can just tell him the density that you want and they will get it done. You can also tell him what sizes to cut and he will take care of that also without marking.

This really also depends on what type of sale you have to them. In a lump sum contract, the forester would probably mark all of the trees and send someone out to look at every square inch of the property for them. In a cut-to-yield, they only pay you for what they cut, so marking is less than likely used here except for high value stands

Companies don't bid on the marked timber per se. You sell it to mills, and the forester gets paid and then pays you. Only money coming in is the tonnage or board foot sold to the mills, or anticipated selling to the mills.






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