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Facts on Bridge Schedule re: LSU

Posted on 4/15/13 at 5:10 pm
Posted by Vlad The Inhaler
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 5:10 pm
This may be moved to the SEC Rant, that's fine, but I'm directing it to LSU fans as a result of recent discussions that have been ongoing since the bridge schedule was announced, and the discrepancy between LSU and especially Alabama.

Many/most know this, but you have two issues: 1) the SEC's decision to use permanent E/W opponents and 2) the post-expansion bridge schedule used in 2012 and 2013 made before each year, and with clearly with knowledge of each team's relative expectations, as opposed to the pre-expansion rotation.

1. Permanent opponents have been pushed by the Alabama/UT and Auburn/UGA rivalry. Fine. With expansion, and possible future expansion, a team like UGA, UT, or USC will visit Tiger Stadium once every 12 years, and unlike the Pac 12, B1G, and ACC who intend to play 9 conference games, crossover will be very rare.

2. The bridge schedules were made less than a year prior to the seasons, so could be fairly arbitrary. The SEC had a predicable formula pre-expansion that likely averaged out over time. The bridge seems to try to keep that schedule generally, but clearly, disruptions had to be made somewhere.

What Happened:
In both years, 4/7 matchups followed a similar pattern as the 2007 season. In 2012, the 4 matchups made sense and teams played ones where the opponents were next in line. LSU/USC is an example. USC was due to come to Tiger Stadium and did.

There were 2 new games with the new teams, and one odd one. In 2012 Ole Miss played UGA for the second consecutive year.

In 2013, 4/7 duplicated the 2008 season, although the home and visitors switched. LSU/UGA is an example of that as is Bama/UK. There are also two new teams, and one strange matchup--MSU@USC. These two teams played in 2006, 2007, and 2011.

Overall, 2 matchups were completely avoided in the bridge schedules: Alabama/UGA & Ole Miss/Florida. Both have not played since 2008.
LSU/Arkansas and UT/UK follow the exact same pattern. Everyone else varies slightly.

The 2012 schedule was released Dec 28, 2011. Going into 2012, LSU and Bama were clearly the top teams, with UGA and USC right behind them. Both were scheduled to play under old system. They kept LSU/USC, which put a huge dent in either team, and did away with UGA/Alabama.

The 2013 schedule was released on October 18, 2012, mid-season. The SEC seems to have gone away from the high exposure crossover games from 2012 for the noobs (Florida/Bama) in favor of Vandy/Ole Miss. The two team with disrupted schedules (Florida/Bama) essentially skipped their 2007 slate and moved the 2008 where Bama avoided UGA again in favor of UK at team they played in 2009, and UF avoided Ole Miss for Arkansas, who they also played last in 2009. At the time, Bama, Florida, LSU, UGA, and USC were in the top 10, basically. A&M was had 1 loss but was way behind. UK, UT, MU, Arky, appeared to be terrible.

In Conclusion--scheduling is not easy, and is a zero sum game. The SEC did not schedule randomly, but there are a few interesting items. I don’t think it’s a straight up conspiracy, but I think UGA/Bama was avoided. UGA could have played both LSU and Bama and just got LSU. I think they were saved too. They SEC has a recent record of what seems to be a demonstrated (see 2009) effort to keep their best teams in the hunt, espescially the old guard (Bama/Georgia). They should have had Mizzou play Arkansas in 2012 to foster that rivalry. Mizzou playing Ole Miss and Bama does very little. LSU was the most interesting team for A&M in terms of developing a rivalry that that worked out.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 5:21 pm
Posted by Vlad The Inhaler
Moose Jaw, SK
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 5:10 pm to
Here is the complete cross-divisional schedules since 2005:

LSU
2005 UT a Vandy Florida
2006 UK a UT at Florida
2007 USC a UK Florida
2008 UGA a USC at Florida
2009 Vandy a UGA Florida
2010 UT a Vandy at Florida
2011 UK a UT Florida
2012 USC at Florida
2013 a UGA Florida

Bama
2005 UF a USC UT
2006 Vandy a UF at UT
2007 UGA a Vandy UT
2008 UK a UGA at UT
2009 USC a UK UT
2010 UF a USC at UT
2011 Vandy a UF UT
2012 a Mizzou at UT
2013 a UK UT

Georgia
2005 Ark a MSU Auburn
2006 MSU a UM at Auburn
2007 UM a Bama Auburn
2008 Bama a LSU at Auburn
2009 LSU a Ark Auburn
2010 Ark a MSU at Auburn
2011 MSU a UM Auburn
2012 UM at Auburn
2013 LSU at Auburn

Auburn
2005 USC a UK at Uga
2006 UF a USC UGA
2007 Vandy a UF at Uga
2008 UT a Vandy UGA
2009 UK a UT at Uga
2010 USC a UK UGA
2011 UF a USC at Uga
2012 a Vandy UGA
2013 a UT UGA

Florida
2005 MSU a Bama at LSU
2006 Bama a Auburn LSU
2007 Auburn a UM at LSU
2008 UM a Ark LSU
2009 Ark a MSU at LSU
2010 MSU a Bama LSU
2011 Bama a Auburn at LSU
2012 a A&M LSU
2013 Arkansas at LSU

UT
2005 UM a LSU at Bama
2006 LSU a Ark Bama
2007 Ark a MSU at Bama
2008 MSU a Auburn Bama
2009 Auburn a UM at Bama
2010 UM a LSU Bama
2011 LSU a Ark at Bama
2012 a MSU Bama
2013 Auburn at Bama

UM
2005 UK a UT at Vandy
2006 UGA a UK Vandy
2007 UF a UGA at Vandy
2008 USC a UF Vandy
2009 UT a USC at Vandy
2010 UK a UT Vandy
2011 UGA a UK at Vandy
2012 a UGA Vandy
2013 Mizzou at Vandy

USC
2005 Bama a Auburn at Arkansas
2006 Auburn a MSU Arkansas
2007 MSU a LSU at Arkansas
2008 LSU a UM Arkansas
2009 UM a Bama at Arkansas
2010 Bama a Auburn Arkansas
2011 Auburn a MSU at Arkansas
2012 a LSU Arkansas
2013 MSU at Arkansas

MSU
2005 UGA a UF UK
2006 USC a UGA at UK
2007 UT a USC UK
2008 Vandy a UT at UK
2009 UF a Vandy UK
2010 UGA a UF at UK
2011 USC a UGA UK
2012 UT at UK
2013 a USC UK

Vandy
2005 LSU a Ark UM
2006 Ark a Bama at UM
2007 Bama a Auburn UM
2008 Auburn a MSU at UM
2009 MSU a LSU UM
2010 LSU a Ark at UM
2011 Ark a Bama UM
2012 Auburn at UM
2013 a A&M UM

Arkansas
2005 Vandy a UGA USC
2006 UT a Vandy at USC
2007 UK a UT USC
2008 UF a UK at USC
2009 UGA a UF USC
2010 Vandy a UGA at USC
2011 UT a Vandy USC
2012 UK at USC
2013 a UF USC

UK
2005 Auburn a UM at MSU
2006 UM a LSU MSU
2007 LSU a Ark at MSU
2008 Ark a Bama MSU
2009 Bama a Auburn at MSU
2010 Auburn a UM MSU
2011 UM a LSU at MSU
2012 a Ark MSU
2013 Bama at MSU
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 5:19 pm
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25059 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 5:18 pm to
Extrapolating out Here is the rotating schedule for Bama.

2014 UK UT
2015 UK UT
2016 Vandy UT
2017 (UT rebounds) UK Vandy
2018 UK Vandy (Vandy pulls off improbable upset)
2019 UK Missouri
2020 UK Missouri
Posted by doya2
Charenton
Member since Jan 2005
7924 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 5:42 pm to
Tenn/Bama and AU/Ga can play each other any time/any place if the right rotation doesn't have them playing each other in a given year.
Posted by Vlad The Inhaler
Moose Jaw, SK
Member since Sep 2008
3160 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

Tenn/Bama and AU/Ga can play each other any time/any place if the right rotation doesn't have them playing each other in a given year.


THey should do what the Pac 12 does where the California teams from the N and S play each other each year and everyone rotates around that. Problem solved, assuming the math works with 14.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25059 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 5:46 pm to
I've said all along move UT to the west Arkansas to the East (with their natural rival, Mizzou), and tell Auburn and Georgia to stick it. I guarantee you they will play it non-conference because they aren't a bunch of women like the gumps.
Posted by Ldrake53
Member since Feb 2013
2171 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 5:49 pm to
It's not a conspiracy against LSU; never has been. Its preferential and biased scheduling by SEC employees who are grads/fans/residents in favor of Bama; it stinks and the people who allow it to happen or conveniently look the other way are going to get the universal law/karma pay back that happens when people with no moral backbone refuse to do the right thing.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 6:06 pm to
I'm not reading all that. I don't know why people are bitching. We get more great games and our schedule sets up pretty perfectly this year. Byes before and after Bama and before aTm, our two hardest games. An early road game at GA will be a test, but they'll be just as young as we are on the defensive side of the ball. We get Florida and aTm at home as well.

We play much better against higher level if competition. As you saw last year, we barely limp through the rent-a-wins
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 6:08 pm
Posted by CrippleCreek
Member since Apr 2012
2345 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 6:22 pm to
quote:

I don't know why people are bitching.


because LSU has 4 actual games on their schedule, and Bama/aTm both only have 2.


My problem is that it seems plain that we aren't going to go to 9 games, AND we're going to keep cross division rivals. The bridge is just a small piece of corn in a huge pile of shite that is the 14 team SEC and all the garbage it brings to the table in football.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
Premium Member
Member since Nov 2011
41598 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 6:26 pm to
Thread is too damn long, and pointless. Stop bitching or arguing over it, stop repeating the same points over and over. No one cares anymore, its over. Get over it. Every point that could possibly be made on the subject has been made, and discussed... Multiple times... To death. Just find something else to show off your intelligence to the board.
Posted by Vlad The Inhaler
Moose Jaw, SK
Member since Sep 2008
3160 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 6:41 pm to
My point is to lay it all out in hopes of ending discussion. Sorry you disapprove
Posted by FemaleTiger
neverneverland
Member since Jul 2008
807 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 7:12 pm to
Preferential and biased scheduling by SEC employees = conspiracy!
And by the way, I care!
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 7:20 pm to
pics
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 7:21 pm to
quote:

in hopes of ending discussion


Why does discussion bother you or need to end?

BTW, Lowe and Fowler are ESPN employees not LSU fans. Its been noticed, it is what it is.

It might come back to bite the SEC office, it might not, we'll see. (and probably discuss it some more...)
Posted by SouthlakeTiger
Southlake, Texas
Member since Mar 2005
5982 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 7:28 pm to
Nice post.
Posted by BhamBengal
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
2476 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 7:34 pm to
It is a fact that the scheduling is bias. A hard schedule is more fun for myself as a fan though. Rather some tough competition over a pussy shite schedule
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 7:35 pm
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 7:35 pm to
Tl,dr

And :beatdeadhorse:
Posted by Vlad The Inhaler
Moose Jaw, SK
Member since Sep 2008
3160 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 7:45 pm to
I should say end speculation and bring all the facts. Clearly I think it's BS and dedicated a huge post to it with all the info.

The schedule is grossly unbalanced and I'm glad national media are taking note since national media's opinion weighs so heavily--it got a second place divisional team into the championship game with one win over a ranked team.
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8304 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 7:59 pm to
Simple solution. Move the SEC offices to an actual major metro city like Atlanta. When jobs are open you will get people applying for jobs that aren't either born raised in Birmingham and/or went to Alabama or moved there from Tuscaloosa or whatever. As long as the SEC offices are in Birmingham you will have a conference that favors one team.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68426 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:23 pm to
quote:

We play much better against higher level if competition. As you saw last year, we barely limp through the rent-a-wins


This isnt true at all. Maybe last season.

Just want a rotation. We dont have an old rivalry with uf and gainesville sucks.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 8:26 pm
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