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I B Freeman
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Should the poor be institutionalized?

It seems more and more issues these days are defined by poor vs. rich. Particularly it seems there are a lot of people who seem to think the poor have no responsibility to contribute to society. No doubt some of the liberals do not believe the poor capable of contributing--they think little of their individual abilities thus they expect little or nothing from them.

So in that light I have to believe we might be better off starting project communities in gated areas where the poor could live rent free, eat their meals free, free health care and get a certain level of clothing free. They would of course have to travel on community transportation and live under the rules of the community. To live like this with all expenses paid they would have to agree to the rules.

Because we would be giving these people everything they need to live we could put rules in place--no tobacco, no cable TV, no alcohol, no drugs, kids must attend the community school and pass, no this and that. We could even take their pay checks if they work and hold all the revenue until such time they had enough money to make it outside the institutional community.

I wonder if we did that would the 250 preachers who signed that petition to Jindal and the democrats be happy??

Just wondering. :)
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CarrolltonTiger
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I'm surprised you would support so much bureaucracy to manage the dysfunctional.


FYI they are dysfunctional because they can't function in the general society. Your plan would be like herding cats for milk.



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we might be better off starting project communities in gated areas where the poor could live rent free, eat their meals free, free health care and get a certain level of clothing free


Don't we already have those?

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re: Should the poor be institutionalized?
I say we should just stick with the survival of the fittest.


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I B Freeman
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I'm surprised you would support so much bureaucracy to manage the dysfunctional.


FYI they are dysfunctional because they can't function in the general society. Your plan would be like herding cats for milk.


Oh I don't support it. But it might very well be cheaper on the tax payer than all the crap we do today. I wonder if such a system is what some people want? I suspect most would not want the "rules" as they do not do those things now yet they get just about all the things I mentioned as benefits in the community.

Contrary to the liberals I believe most of the so called poor are capable of doing for themselves and would do so if expected to.


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Contrary to the liberals I believe most of the so called poor are capable of doing for themselves and would do so if expected to.



Oh, no doubt, there are poor people who are quite capable of doing better than they currently are. But I think you and others on the board overstate the percentage of them that are simply frick ups.


CarrolltonTiger
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But I think you and others on the board overstate the percentage of them that are simply frick ups.


What percentage was stated?


VOR
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What percentage was stated?


None. Happy?


CarrolltonTiger
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None. Happy?


Not a matter of being happy or sad, I'm just trying to figure out what you think others are saying and why you are making these claims.




VOR
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Not a matter of being happy or sad, I'm just trying to figure out what you think others are saying and why you are making these claims.


Based upon my experience on this board, I would think that a majority of the posters believe that a majority of poor people are poor because they are lazy, have no ambition, etc. There you go. Happy now?


I B Freeman
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re: Should the poor be institutionalized?
Vor do you think an institutional community would be a good thing??

Do you think people getting food stamps should be allowed to buy soft drinks?

Do you think people getting medicaid should be allowed to smoke?

Do you think people who get Section 8 vouchers should be able to get cable TV?

Just curious.


Placebeaux
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re: Should the poor be institutionalized?
What do you consider poor?


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CarrolltonTiger
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There you go. Happy now?


I appreciate your efforts to make me happy, it really isn't necessary. I'm generally very sanguine, particularly when I come here.

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I would think that a majority of the posters believe that a majority of poor people are poor because they are lazy, have no ambition, etc


I don't consider poor as being an accurate measure of dysfunction, and the real question would be what do you include in that etc.





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VOR
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Vor do you think an institutional community would be a good thing??


Not in America.

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Do you think people getting food stamps should be allowed to buy soft drinks?

Do you think people getting medicaid should be allowed to smoke?

Do you think people who get Section 8 vouchers should be able to get cable TV?



All very good questions. And if you want me to be completely honest, I'd say I have to think about those questions. There are some poor people who I have represented who may buy the occasional soft drink or even have cable TV but who are really trying to better themselves and their lot in life. I guess I don't consider a soft drink a big deal.


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CITWTT
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re: Should the poor be institutionalized?
WE could put the Moose in charge of what Food Stamps could be used to purchase. If it ain't on the list or on her plate that is a big NO. Now that would be worth paying to watch, food riots at the White House.


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catholictigerfan
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re: Should the poor be institutionalized?
how would you pay for this,

how would you handle crime,

would you have jobs in the community,

it would help the poor if it worked well but I find it hard to believe this would work well


I B Freeman
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how would you pay for this,

how would you handle crime,

would you have jobs in the community,

it would help the poor if it worked well but I find it hard to believe this would work well


I suspect we are paying more now for these services than such a community would cost.

I am not advocating the community as much as I am pointing out the absurdity of the cost of our current welfare spending and the mindset of those that have no limit on the spending they want the government to undertake in the name of the "poor".


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, I would think that a majority of the posters believe that a majority of poor people are poor because they are lazy, have no ambition, etc.

i think they just make a lot of shitty decisions...at least in the vast majority of cases


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RogerTheShrubber
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Based upon my experience on this board,


Man, you are obsessed with "this board." As if it's some collective consciousness.


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los angeles tiger
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we might be better off starting project communities in gated areas where the poor could live rent free, eat their meals free, free health care and get a certain level of clothing free

Don't we already have those?


I say build it in Mexico.


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