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Why not treat South Korea like we treated South Vietnam?



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Declare Peace and Victory, pull all US military forces out, stop all monetary support of the South, and leave the two sides to sort it out themselves.

We did this to South Vietnam. Why not save billions in scarce FedGov funds and apply the same policy to the Korean problem?

Today, Vietnam is a trading partner of the USA, not an enemy. Shouldn't we assume that a Unified Korean peninsula could also be a friendly trading parter of the USA?

Do not mention any "treaty obligations" we might have to South Korea. The USA had "treaty obligations" to defend South Vietnam militarily, should North Vietnam violate the 1973 Paris Peace Accords.

North Vietnam violated that agreement by overrunning South Vietnam with overwhelming conventional forces -- tanks and arms made in China and the Soviet Union.

The US Congress responded to the "treaty obligation" not by honoring the treaty, but, by passing legislation in late 1974 that prohibited funding of any military assistance to South Vietnam.

Why not save the money and abandon South Korea to its fate? I'm sure that they will be fine.







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Layabout
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Just declare victory and leave. Just in time.







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TigerintheNO
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Why not save the money and abandon South Korea to its fate?


Because the US doesn't abandon its allies.






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Do you really think if the US pulled out of the South that a true unity would occur?

The North only wants unity as long as their government is in power. I just don't see this scenario playing out well.






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Because the US doesn't abandon its allies.


The US Congress and the USA abandoned South Vietnam, so, you are dead wrong about that.






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theGarnetWay
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Just declare victory and leave. Just in time.



I see this happening in Afghanistan soon enough.






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Champagne
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Do you really think if the US pulled out of the South that a true unity would occur?


I have no idea whether US abandonment of South Korea would cause unity in the near future. What I do know is that we have spent billions of tax dollars in Korea. We need that money for other uses.






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Abandon them is what is your solution?





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Why not save the money and abandon South Korea to its fate?


South Korea stood shoulder to shoulder with our troops and paid the price with lives and blood.

And no, I'm not talking about the Korean Conflict/War.

More ROK troops died fighting with us in Vietnam than did Americans in the entire Iraq War.

Tough, mean and militarily superior, they scared the shite out of the VC and NVA more than our guys ever did.







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Having spent 14 months in South Korea one day....almost on the 38th parallel (Chunchon, in the old 4th Missile Command)

one thing I can tell you for sure is that the North Koreans make the Taliban look stable and sane...

I think what you are seeing is the last rolling of the dice by the NK regieme, combined with Kim Jung Un's relative youth, inexperience, and arrogance...

The urbanization of the Seoul metropolitan area, spreading north in the traditional invasion corridor turns that corridor into one gigantic tank trap...

Viktor Suvurov, the former KGB officer and author, once said to never liberate a country with a higher standard of living than your own (speaking about the Soviet invasion of Czecheslovikia in 1968)...imagine the culture shock the North Koreans will have when they loot their first South Korean Walmart!!!!!






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Hell no. It's not anywhere close to being a similar situation. North Korea's "leader" has the brain of a child who thinks playing with nukes is really cool. It would lead to all out war. China needs to reel him in before he screws up everyone's day.





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It's too late to abandon them...we and the world now have significant economic interests in SK....if NK nuked them, which is the only way that shell of a military state could damage the south the repercussions would be felt here. Finally, NKs threats are empty. It's a gamble at blackmail only, a bluff.





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Tough, mean and militarily superior, they scared the shite out of the VC and NVA more than our guys ever did.


I agree with everything you say, but, the South Vietnamese also fought side by side with our Soldiers in Vietnam.

I fail to see how these facts make a compelling case for continuing to spend billions to "defend" South Korea.






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Champagne
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Hell no. It's not anywhere close to being a similar situation. North Korea's "leader" has the brain of a child who thinks playing with nukes is really cool. It would lead to all out war. China needs to reel him in before he screws up everyone's day.


I agree, but, I don't see your point. Neither North Korea nor North Vietnam ever had the capability of attacking the US homeland.

I think that the two situations share enough factual similarity to address the issue squarely: Why not abandon South Korea like we abandoned South Vietnam?

I know that North Korea is quite vocal, but, North Vietnam prosecuted an aggressive guerilla and conventional war inside the borders of the sovereign nation of South Vietnam. North Korea has not invaded South Korea since the armistice.

Why did we refuse to confront direct military invasion of South Vietnam in 1974 and 1975, but, are now willing to confront talk of invasion from North Korea?

Either we were wrong to abandon South Vietnam or we are wrong to "go to the mat" for South Korea. Both cannot be correct.






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vl100butch
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I fail to see how these facts make a compelling case for continuing to spend billions to "defend" South Korea.


you could make the same sort of case of why do we still have the presence we have in Europe...

however, our presence in South Korea has gradually drawn down over the years and is nothing what it was like in the mid-1970's when I was there....






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Champagne
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It's too late to abandon them


I totally understand your points, but, I'm not sure that you've made a compelling case to continue spending the kinds of money in Korea that we are spending. After all, having US Soldiers and Airmen in South Korea won't stop a North Korean nuke.

And, if NK decided to nuke South Korea, the US could always take retaliatory military action, as authorized by the UN Security Council, right?

I'm glad that nobody tried to argue that the US should stay in South Korea because the US is committed to confronting evil dictators. The US tried to do that by deposing Saddam Hussein, but, most of the US electorate today seems very sorry that we bothered to do that.






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vl100butch
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And, if NK decided to nuke South Korea, the US could always take retaliatory military action, as authorized by the UN Security Council, right?


that to me is going to be facinating, how many of the third worlders that make up the UN today actually realize there is a mandate for the defense of South Korea? and what happens when they find out that there is nothing they can do about it?






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Champagne
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you could make the same sort of case of why do we still have the presence we have in Europe...


Of course, that's a good topic for discussion that deserves its own thread.

I was hoping to hear from the Resident Obama Supporters in this thread, but, none have shown up. I know that their intellectual well is deep enough to allow for more than just cheerleading for Obama.

I have another question:

Since the US Congress abandoned South Vietnam to its fate and allowed that sovereign nation to be wiped from the face of the earth by an aggressor nation, is it fair to discuss the conditions that prompted that abandonment, and, also, to discuss those conditions in the context of our support of South Korea with a view towards predicting whether the US Congress might similarly abandon South Korea?

Seems to me that this question might be something that the South Korean General Staff should be pondering.






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Champagne
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that to me is going to be facinating, how many of the third worlders that make up the UN today actually realize there is a mandate for the defense of South Korea? and what happens when they find out that there is nothing they can do about it?


Could you clarify this point please, Butch? I don't completely follow you. Thanks.






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You do realize that not only is South Korea an ally but also the USA's 7th largest trading partner, right?





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