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Boudin 
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| Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:04 pm)
I don't get into politics, too frustrating and the bipartisan system is counter proactive more often than not.
So my question to y'all is, will the Libertarian Party ever gain any real momentum?
I think the intelligent/open minded people on both sides agree with a lot of what Ron Paul and others have been saying for years now.
I'll hang up and listen, I know far too little to comment. I'm just curious what the board thinks of the matter.
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Gmorgan4982 
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:11 pm to Boudin)
They will continue to get about 1% of the vote.
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:13 pm to Boudin)
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the intelligent/open minded people on both sides
one of those sides doesn't have intelligent people
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:14 pm to Boudin)
I finding more and more libertarians in my everyday life. The biggest hold up is that many do not participate in voting/elections. Which results in a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:14 pm to Boudin)
if a big player in the GOP bolted over, they could garner Ross Perot type popularity for a cycle or two. end of the day, people are scared to fend for themselves and will never support the Libertarian Party.
LP is too easily attacked as well. If you think those "granny over the cliff" hit and run type attacks are bad on the GOP, wait until a LP candidate was being taken seriously.
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both of those sides don't have intelligent people
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Boudin
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:15 pm to Gmorgan4982)
No slow progression with younger generation?
I realize it's a huge uphill battle considering everybody will continue voting just to oppose the party they don't want to win.
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Boudin
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one of those sides doesn't have intelligent people
That's why I don't visit this board
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Boudin
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:17 pm to lsu13lsu)
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I finding more and more libertarians in my everyday life. The biggest hold up is that many do not participate in voting/elections. Which results in a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
I guess I'm not going to hang up and listen..
I can see this as I too seem to hear more and more people support the LP
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:21 pm to Boudin)
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No slow progression with younger generation?
Not enough to come close to winning. The major parties will go where the votes are.
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:25 pm to Boudin)
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I can see this as I too seem to hear more and more people support the LP
Nah, not really. Some of their ideals, perhaps but few will ever support the party. Best you can hope for is the ideas of the LP influence the two main parties. Wish it weren't so, but it is.
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Nah, not really. Some of their ideals, perhaps but few will ever support the party. Best you can hope for is the ideas of the LP influence the two main parties. Wish it weren't so, but it is.
Agreed
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:49 pm to Boudin)
There are numurous hurdles for the libertarian party that I believe may be insurmountable.
1. The media loves the status quo. The media supports the establishment wings of both parties, especially the democratic party establishment in order to continually grow the power of the state. Libertarianism is the ultimate threat to that ideal.
2. The electorate doesn't care about ideas. The average American is not only completely ignorant about politics in general, but they also cannot recognize or differentiate between good and bad ideas. They don't care about the deficit, or fiscal issues as long as they don't have to pay anything extra. The majority of the electorate pays little to no income tax. They vote based on rhetoric, emotion, and propaganda.
3. Most people also hate math, so even if they were to be aware of the libertarian message and listen to it, they won't become engaged by it because the orders of magnitude involved in fiscal and monetary policy issues are so vast. The numbers are not only intimidating to the average voter, they're also boring.
4. The majority of the electorate has no attention span. They don't want to hear about the issues. They simply do not know nor do they care about the state of the country. They don't want to know what such and such candidate can do to help. They follow charisma. Like sorority girls at Reggies, they will naturally be drawn to the candidate that is confident, funny, charming, and assertive. Libertarians rarely if ever have a candidate like that. Gary Johnson was great, but he came off reserved and smarmy. He was witty, but lacked the kind of charisma that the electorate is attracted to.
5. The primary system is designed to pit the establishment choices by each party against one another. This prevents libertarianism from invading and gaining control of a party from within (think Ron or possibly Rand Paul). Unless the primary system is reformed (yeah, that'll happen), libertarians will never be a force within either party. Libertarians will always be a fringe element out on its own at the national level.
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Gmorgan4982
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:07 pm to Boudin)
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No slow progression with younger generation?
Nope. Not for the party. No change will come through politics.
This post was edited on 2/17 at 11:08 pm
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:15 pm to Gmorgan4982)
the LP has to usurp the republicans. that is the only way to do it given the current dynamic but pounding down the RHINO and religious right will be difficult, as Ron Paul found out.
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:20 pm to Boudin)
I'm a libertarian but do not support the Libertarian Party really.
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Gmorgan4982
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:20 pm to Zahrim)
Libertarians have been trying to get the LP to gain ground since the 1960s when it got 1% of the vote. In 2012, it got .... 1% of the vote. It will continue to get 1% of the vote.
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Zahrim
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:30 pm to Gmorgan4982)
exactly. the only way to get LP candidate is through the republican party, unfortunately. Bob Barr was the only LP I could vote for, and did in 08 but he is really a republican. The closest we will ever get to a libertarian is a social moderate and fiscal conservative but it will be hard to make that happen unless they can find a messiah like the libtards found in that retard currently holding the office of the President of the United States.
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:17 am to Gmorgan4982)
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Libertarians have been trying to get the LP to gain ground since the 1960s when it got 1% of the vote. In 2012, it got .... 1% of the vote. It will continue to get 1% of the vote.
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| re: Libertarian Party in the future (Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:05 am to Boudin)
I think the philosophy of the libertarian party that values individualism a lot may be a key that prevents them from really uniting together to produce results.
Just a thought.
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kingbob
All excellent points.
This post was edited on 2/18 at 1:08 am
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