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GumboPot
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The sequester is not a real cut, right?


The proposed budget will still increase from last year just not as much it if the sequester automatically passes. In other words the sequester is an automatic cut in GROWTH to the budget and not an actual cut. Is this right?






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wickowick
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re: The sequester is not a real cut, right?


The automatic baseline budget increase is still there, so there is an automatic ~6-7% added on to last years budget...





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GumboPot
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That's what I thought.

How is a ~6-7% even sustainable when the private economy is growing at 0%? With that kind of growth in government I guess it's to be expected that we'll be in economic doldrums for years to come (except for Washington DC).






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wickowick
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That is where the FIRST cut should come. Remove the automatic baseline budget increase and that would take care of 75% of America's money problems...





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LSUgusto
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GumboPot
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That is where the FIRST cut should come. Remove the automatic baseline budget increase and that would take care of 75% of America's money problems...


100% agree.

This needs to be talked about more. When the big spenders complain about cuts and how it's the end of the world, grandma will be thrown off the cliff and our children will die of starvation (even though we have an obesity epidemic), budget hawks need to respond in absolute dollars. For example, "increasing the budget from $3.5 trillion to $3.52 trillion is not a budget cut".






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TupeloTiger
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The news media will never tell it,but, it's only a reduction in the increase,no real cut,just less of an increase. When I was a Senator, the budget increased by 4% to 7% every year. About every 10 years you are forced to raise taxes or make cuts. The 4 to 7% increase,baseline budgeting,needs to be stopped and freeze at this,or last years budget. The Teachers Union[Association], the Teamsters in the Transportation Dept., the Dept. of Education bureaucrats[Dem. campaign workers], the NAACP, the Trial Lawyers, Democratic party staffers all pushed and support the annual automatic increases. If you oppose it with common sense, you are against education,the poor, the children,for cutting Social Security, against the elderly,against Nursing Homes and Headstart, for cutting Food Stamps to the poor,etc. All lies, this is where the lies came from in the 2012 Election. I feel America is doomed, just like Greece. There's no hope. Bankruptcy is coming in about 10 years and Obamacare in the nail in the coffin. This is why I quit the Senate after 8 years. The lies,untruths, and false charges against any honest, Christian, moral incumbent is just not worth it. I know how Romney feels.





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davesdawgs
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re: The sequester is not a real cut, right?


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That is where the FIRST cut should come. Remove the automatic baseline budget increase and that would take care of 75% of America's money problems...


100% agree.

This needs to be talked about more. When the big spenders complain about cuts and how it's the end of the world, grandma will be thrown off the cliff and our children will die of starvation (even though we have an obesity epidemic), budget hawks need to respond in absolute dollars. For example, "increasing the budget from $3.5 trillion to $3.52 trillion is not a budget cut".


Yep, the truth is self-evident if you can find a way to get past political agendas and media bias. Pretty difficult this day and time when the Dems control the message through the liberal media.






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wickowick
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I hear talk all the time about the one time stimulus. That money wasn't one time money, it was added to the budget and never left, compounding annually. In addition federal wages have been frozen for the past couple of years, but the budget has been increasing. Where is all this money being spent?





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Bard
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re: The sequester is not a real cut, right?


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That is where the FIRST cut should come. Remove the automatic baseline budget increase and that would take care of 75% of America's money problems...


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I hear talk all the time about the one time stimulus. That money wasn't one time money, it was added to the budget and never left, compounding annually. In addition federal wages have been frozen for the past couple of years, but the budget has been increasing. Where is all this money being spent?


If only the people in DC could see so clearly. :(






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weagle99
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no real cut,just less of an increase.


We are screwed as a country long term barring some drastic change.






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NC_Tigah
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The sequester is not a real cut, right?
A simple freeze in budget spending -- no cut, no increase -- would be counted as a $4 trillion cut. The sequester only ""cuts"" $1.2 trillion. It constitutes a spending increase of $2.8 trillion.






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GumboPot
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A simple freeze in budget spending -- no cut, no increase -- would be counted as a $4 trillion cut.


Over 10 years, right?

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he sequester only ""cuts"" $1.2 trillion. It constitutes a spending increase of $2.8 trillion.


Thanks for the info. That clears things up.

Why can't the media report in these simple terms?








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wickowick
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Why can't the media report in these simple terms?


It doesn't fit the agenda...






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CITWTT
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It is a bull shite PR stunt that will be a cry me a river event for Oboe and the Dems. The military and SS/Medicare recipients will be the ones hurt.





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Willie Stroker
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I'm not sure how many people posting on this thread actually work for the federal government, but those of us who do know this to be real cuts. The sequester might be temporary, but if it happens, it is most certainly not simply cuts in growth.

I'm expecting sequestration to occur. It may be in place for only a few days until the can is kicked down the road again. But agencies are planning for very real decreases in funding for the years ahead because very real decreases have already occurred in many government agencies.

For those who read this in disbelief, here's what my agency has experienced. Prior to 2010, our agency payroll of on-board staff was increased at a rate roughly equal to inflation. It was certainly not the 6% figure some have claimed. Based on a staffing formula of work performed, authorized work units either increased or decreased. Only half of those work units were funded.

Beginning in 2010, we started to have these calculated allotments cut by an across the board fixed percentage. If I recall correctly, it has been somewhere around 9 %. I can verify that later tonight if anyone is interested. Due to these cuts, we've already had to offer buyouts and abolish positions to reduce our bottom line to make payroll.

With regard to other agency funds aside from payroll, those cuts were the stiffest. Some were cut 50% or more. They tended to be for capital goods, furniture, remodeling and so on.

Some agencies have already fuoughed because their staffing level was almost to the measured need. Such staffing levels could not absorb the cuts that already took place. But if sequestration happens and if it results in that level of real cuts to the remainder of this fiscal year, then it is very likely that almost every federal agency will begin furloughs.

If the total federal budget increases after sequestration, it is likely due to mandated increases to entitlement spending and non-discretionary spending which offsets the very real cuts taking place.






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NC_Tigah
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it is most certainly not simply cuts in growth.

Willie, it is 100% "simply cuts in growth".
Nothing more.
No real cuts.
Just reductions in growth.

Now how those reductions in growth are applied is a different matter entirely. Unfortunately, there is a very high likelihood the reductions will be used as an excuse for layoffs, or reimbursement reductions.Those measures have much more to do with political manipulation and/or governmental administrative incompetence than with necessity.
Just the way it is.






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LSUgusto
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Due to these cuts, we've already had to offer buyouts and abolish positions to reduce our bottom line to make payroll.
No offense, man, but thank goodness. This has to happen. In fact, I want unemployment in Washington to freaking skyrocket.






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mauser
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And how about govt employees working until they're 65 just like everybody else. We can't afford these early retirement govt pensions either.






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SoulGlo
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re: The sequester is not a real cut, right?


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Due to these cuts, we've already had to offer buyouts and abolish positions to reduce our bottom line to make payroll.
No offense, man, but thank goodness. This has to happen. In fact, I want unemployment in Washington to freaking skyrocket.







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