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So who deserves more blame: Klinsmann or the players?
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:05 pm
I loved the Klinsmann hire but things are simply not progressing as much as most of us thought at this point. I can handle the out of nowhere call ups and weird formations as long as they work. However as soon as we make progress we seem to always take a step back and end up right where we started
On the other hand the talent level we have is just not up to par with the bigger world powers or to where it can be. We create very few, if any chances on attack and while we play solid defense for 60-70 minute stretches we always give something up way too easily
Is this just a big overreaction by me to losing on the road in a hostile environment or am I at somewhat justified?
On the other hand the talent level we have is just not up to par with the bigger world powers or to where it can be. We create very few, if any chances on attack and while we play solid defense for 60-70 minute stretches we always give something up way too easily
Is this just a big overreaction by me to losing on the road in a hostile environment or am I at somewhat justified?
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Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:11 pm to MrPackSix
50/50 blame. Coaches job to prepare players. Players job to execute.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:11 pm to MrPackSix
The players too many unforced errors and loafing.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:13 pm to IgotKINGfisherSpeed
Players. Not enough talent.
Klinsmann could adapt, but he took the job with the expressed intent to change the U.S., not change his style.
Gulati deserves more blame than Klinsmann, really.
Klinsmann could adapt, but he took the job with the expressed intent to change the U.S., not change his style.
Gulati deserves more blame than Klinsmann, really.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:14 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Not enough talent.
Disagree. I don't think we are deep. But, we should have more than enough talent against CONCACAF teams.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:14 pm to UASports23
Klinsmann's selections were suspect. I saw two main problems:
1. Playing players out of position/callups
- The US has no width. Calling on someone like Gatt or Beasley would help this problem significantly, but they aren't getting the callup.
- For the love of all that is holy, quit playing central midfielders on the wing.
2. Gonzalez should not have started. I thought he looked poor (the second goal was probably his fault) and I think Boca's experience would heve really helped. I think if Boca is out there the game finishes 1-1.
1. Playing players out of position/callups
- The US has no width. Calling on someone like Gatt or Beasley would help this problem significantly, but they aren't getting the callup.
- For the love of all that is holy, quit playing central midfielders on the wing.
2. Gonzalez should not have started. I thought he looked poor (the second goal was probably his fault) and I think Boca's experience would heve really helped. I think if Boca is out there the game finishes 1-1.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:19 pm to cwil177
Like I said in the other thread. I think Cameron and Gonzalez never playing together, had a hand in this. In the long run, I like the Gonzalez/Cameron pairing. You have to start somewhere. I don't know if World Cup Qualifying is the place to do it. But, nonetheless. 
From the USSoccer matchtracker, Gonzalez messed up a lot. From what it sounds.
From the USSoccer matchtracker, Gonzalez messed up a lot. From what it sounds.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:31 pm to UASports23
Bringing on three players before the 70' minute is fricking stupid. That's all on Klinsmann. Altidore was gassed before we made the changes. He needed to be subbed off, instead we took off GAM who looked much more adept to the climate.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:41 pm to thenry712
Seriously, leaving jozy out there basically reduced us to 10 men. He had his hands on his knees in the 52nd minute for christ sake.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:41 pm to thenry712
People who say we have no talent stfu because you look ignorant. This is probably man for man the most talent the USA has ever had, we have more players in Europe and quality teams than ever before. The midfield selections and bunker ball that we are playing is whats killing us
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:42 pm to thenry712
I missed it and accidentally came in here and saw this thread. Have it DVRd, is it worth a watch at least?
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:43 pm to VanRIch
Honestly, it is not worth watching. Quite a dispiriting game.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:43 pm to VanRIch
Fast forward to the first two goals, watch them, and turn the game off.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:43 pm to UASports23
So I missed the entire match because of classes today. Would somebody be kind enough to show how the formation played? I'm assuming he chose to play Williams out wide again? If anybody would even go as far as posting their ratings and a sentence on how each player performed, I would be forever grateful 
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:44 pm to thenry712
This article discusses our midfield issues well
TL;DR: Klinsmann is a tactical novice.
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Frankly, I think it’s part of the inscrutable formation mysteries that Klinsmann creates game after game. Three defensive-minded midfielders. Sacha Kljestan or Jose Torres on the wing. Maurice Edu in the hole. None of that makes any sense.
The ever-changing sets and cast of characters means there’s always that half-second of confusion when trying to close down service, and against a team as sharp as Honduras, that can be all she wrote
TL;DR: Klinsmann is a tactical novice.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:48 pm to cwil177
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Calling on someone like Gatt
Even when Klinsmann threw him on against an extremely narrow Canadian team, he played him inverted
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:52 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Players. Not enough talent.
We have more talent than almost every CONCACAF team. It's just execution, really.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:54 pm to joey barton
It's like Klinsmann is under the impression that if we have our 11 best players on the field, regardless of their proper position, our chances of winning increase.
You only need ONE true defensive mid.
You only need ONE deep lying playmaker.
You need TWO proper wide players or at least one.
If anyone watches GAM at Seattle, his grown arse is in the box feasting on crosses from Fredy Montero, Mario Martinez, Mauro Rosales etc. He is a center forward. He should play there, if he's going to be a forward.
Kljestan does not need to come on if Bradley is to remain on the pitch. They both play the same deep lying playmaker position.
Jermaine Jones practically runs into all of his teammates.
You only need ONE true defensive mid.
You only need ONE deep lying playmaker.
You need TWO proper wide players or at least one.
If anyone watches GAM at Seattle, his grown arse is in the box feasting on crosses from Fredy Montero, Mario Martinez, Mauro Rosales etc. He is a center forward. He should play there, if he's going to be a forward.
Kljestan does not need to come on if Bradley is to remain on the pitch. They both play the same deep lying playmaker position.
Jermaine Jones practically runs into all of his teammates.
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 2/6/13 at 6:01 pm to joey barton
I'd argue that we will finish stronger than we have started qualifying. The talent is there to beat CONCACAF teams. If we were in UEFA. I'd be incredibly skeptical. I think this is a time in US soccer where we are in between old guard / new guard. Like in every cycle. However, Klinsmann has the dilemma of these players getting older:
Landon Donovan = 144 caps
Carlos Bocanegra = 110 caps
Steve Cherundolo = 87 caps
The past few years, not a lot of people have got first team reps in those positions. Just no depth. Younger players don't have chemistry, yet.
I'm not saying that other coaches didn't have to deal with it. They do. However, I can see how it is causing a problem, right now.
Landon Donovan = 144 caps
Carlos Bocanegra = 110 caps
Steve Cherundolo = 87 caps
The past few years, not a lot of people have got first team reps in those positions. Just no depth. Younger players don't have chemistry, yet.
I'm not saying that other coaches didn't have to deal with it. They do. However, I can see how it is causing a problem, right now.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 6:01 pm to thenry712
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If anyone watches GAM at Seattle, his grown arse is in the box feasting on crosses from Fredy Montero, Mario Martinez, Mauro Rosales etc. He's is a center forward. He should play there, if he's going to be a forward.
I've been saying this since he was first called up. Even if that means he needs to come off the bench and fill in for Jozy/Herc, so be it.
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