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joshnorris14 
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| The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:20 pm)
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And he is absolutely right. What you consider immigration, is really just freedom of movement.
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ShortyRob 
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:30 pm to joshnorris14)
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The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right
I've actually started to come around to this view myself.
Freedom of movement seems pretty basic to me.
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Tiger Authority
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:34 pm to ShortyRob)
As long as freedom of movement doesn't result in me paying for that movement, which it invariably will.
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:35 pm to joshnorris14)
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What you consider immigration, is really just freedom of movement.
What is a country then?
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joshnorris14
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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What is a country then?
Nothing really.
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joshnorris14
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:43 pm to Tiger Authority)
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As long as freedom of movement doesn't result in me paying for that movement, which it invariably will.
Well then you should focus your solutions on the problem (paying for the movement).
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:53 pm to joshnorris14)
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And he is absolutely right. What you consider immigration, is really just freedom of movement.
So you'd be perfectly fine with a immigrant family moving into your home then?
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joshnorris14
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:55 pm to Revelator)
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So you'd be perfectly fine with a immigrant family moving into your home then?
No.
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:58 pm to joshnorris14)
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No
Why not? Illegals should have the right to go wherever they want according to you. If a countries border doesn't matter, certainly something as trivial as your door or walls shouldn't impede the immigrants movements?!
This post was edited on 1/30 at 11:59 pm
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joshnorris14
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/30/13 at 11:59 pm to Revelator)
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Why not?
It is my property.
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Illegals should have the right to go wherever they want according to you
I never said that.
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If a countries border doesn't matter, certainly something as trivial as your door or walls shouldn't impede the immigrants movements?!
One of those doesn't exist. Two of those do. Care to guess which ones?
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TrueTiger
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/31/13 at 12:01 am to joshnorris14)
I could come around to this but the problem is that
you shouldn't be allowed to cross the border and
feast on government goodies paid for by taxpayers on day one.
The pilgrims endured some harsh consequences when they showed up.
When the Mayflower landed, no one handed them shite.
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joshnorris14
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/31/13 at 12:02 am to TrueTiger)
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you shouldn't be allowed to cross the border and
feast on government goodies paid for by taxpayers on day one.
I agree. But again, the problem isn't immigration, it's the welfare.
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/31/13 at 12:03 am to joshnorris14)
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It is my property.
This country is someone's property also.
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joshnorris14
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/31/13 at 12:05 am to Revelator)
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This country is someone's property also.
Whose?
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TrueTiger
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/31/13 at 12:06 am to joshnorris14)
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the problem isn't immigration, it's the welfare.
Right on.
If the deal was, "hey come on in if you want but once
you get here, if you don't work, you don't eat",
immigration would naturally regulate itself.
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joshnorris14
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/31/13 at 12:08 am to TrueTiger)
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The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right
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the problem isn't immigration, it's the welfare.
Right on.
If the deal was, "hey come on in if you want but once
you get here, if you don't work, you don't eat",
immigration would naturally regulate itself.
Of course. It's a basic example of Capitalism. But, what we have now is a very state controlled aspect of life.
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Revelator
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/31/13 at 12:09 am to joshnorris14)
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Whose
Well there is obviously privately owned property. Then there is gov. land. And since the citizens of a particular country pay taxes to fund the gov, its the citizens land.
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joshnorris14
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/31/13 at 12:10 am to Revelator)
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its the citizens land.
So it's my land?
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/31/13 at 12:12 am to joshnorris14)
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So it's my land?
I don't know? Are you a citizen?
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Aristo
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| re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right (Posted on 1/31/13 at 12:12 am to joshnorris14)
"This land is your land, this land is my land"
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