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TigerPride10
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Societal wealth increases once individuals become more free. It is necessary for them to become more secure in order for them to become more free. It's a sort of a priori state. Being secure is a part of being free. Whether it be secure from the state, the mob, random criminals, outside armies, et cetera.



This argument is more relevant to an IPE discussion, but what books would you recommend that touch on this from an IR perspective? I'm looking to add some stuff to the Kindle.



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TigerPride10
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I thought he sort of walked away from the determinism of liberal IR in explaining how rule of law and pluralism emerged out of the Catholic Church, and then showed how non-Western cultures came up with their own unique political noms.


He did, and I genuinely enjoyed it more than some of his other works. However, I also walk away from Fukuyama thinking that his level analysis is off.






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TigerPride10
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But the British went to war with the dutch in the interregnum... to say nothing of Spain.


I'm referring more to the time since they abolished the Republic.

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Though I can't think of a successful invasion since the mongols.


Their borders have never truly been secure, with the exception of the Cold War era. Lessons from the Huns, Persia, the steppe peoples, the Poles, etc, have all had a great . Even the unsuccessful invasions have had devastating effects on Russian history.






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joshnorris14
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This argument is more relevant to an IPE discussion, but what books would you recommend that touch on this from an IR perspective? I'm looking to add some stuff to the Kindle.


I wish I could give you something specific from an IR perspective, but it's really just a derivative of the NAP from an interpersonal scale to the NAP on an IR scale.

Coming from a Misesian/Praxeologist a Priori position on IR this is the only thing I could find.

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Our borders may be peaceful now, but they were not always that way.


I was not assuming our borders would be the same. I'll go one further and assume Britain was not separated from America by an ocean and that our west coast bordered another hegemon. We would not have the same history that we've had. Sure we have our successes but this would not be the same if we were landlocked inside of Asia or some other landmass.






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TigerPride10
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Coming from a Misesian/Praxeologist a Priori position on IR this is the only thing I could find.


Thanks. I'll take a look at it tonight when I get home.






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NC_Tigah
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Thoughts?
Roots are far more in revolution and overthrow of autocracy than geography IMO. i.e., people far more than place.






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TigerPride10
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Roots are far more in revolution and overthrow of autocracy than geography IMO. i.e., people far more than place.


Then what about France, who had the same experience at the same time, but had very different results over the next century?






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Bayou Sam
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Fair enough. Seems to me, though, that history generally shows not that democracy thrives on security, but just the opposite--on an expansionist and aggressive policy. The post-Cold War situation appears misleading to me.

Maybe that doesn't contradict what Kaplan argues though.






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joshnorris14
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Intellectual revolution is far more important. And that makes the American/French instances more interesting given the similarities in the roots of their revolutions.





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Bayou Sam
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I think the difference between France and the USA has more to do with the nature of the revolution than geography.





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NC_Tigah
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Then what about France, who had the same experience at the same time, but had very different results over the next century?
What about Mexico? or Cuba?

OTOH, Japan very much like the UK, enjoyed protection of an ocean moat, but it took WWII and MacArthur to overcome autocracy.






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Actually the timing of the American and French rebellions may have seemingly coincided, but the French was set on a different course than ours from the beginning. The words egalite, liberte, fraternite are stand alone precepts with no foundation to hold them up. The French revolted against God in a manner as one aspect was the castration of the RCC and its influences on society with its centuries old political influences with the kings ans queens.





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Geography was essential to our founding and to the eventual rosperity of the United States. We were able to fight wars against England twice within a 40 year time span and not lose either war to the strongest military power on Earth. It was distance that was our key ally in both wars.

The virtually limitless territory for expansion is another source of our prosperity. If North America were the size of Greenland there is no way the United States could have been as prosperous. The geographic scope also gives the United States geological variety which contributed to the prosperity in the form of resources for economic growth and development.






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The United States is as wealthy, deomocratic, and powerful as it is because of its geography.


It has definitely helped but the main reason is because we have had a mainly capitalist system since our founding that has helped us create more wealth than any country in history.






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