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re: Louisiana High School Football will split Public/Private. **Edited with Yes/No**
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:31 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:31 pm to chalmetteowl
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you also have to think how many kids got scholarships that wouldn't have got them had they gone to a public school...
A lot of kids in BR and NOLA fall into that category.
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:36 pm to League Champs
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Evangel wouldnt be Evangel, if this hadnt been going on for decades. It will now stop. Nothing to entice these kids with.
Nothing to entice? You're competing with the majority of the best teams in the state, from Curtis to Rummel to Catholic to Parkview.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say you need to have a split because the public schools can't compete and the privates win too many state titles, then turn around and say the "select" side will lose prestige because of a lack of competition.
Bullshyte. The majority of the prestige will be on the SELECT side. The best playoff will be the one involving the prep powers. Once the best of the non-selects see that (see West Monroe, Acadiana and others) they'll try to manipulate their way into the select side.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:37 pm to Jim Rockford
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Most of the state isn't BR and NO and doesn't care about them.
Actually, you're wrong on the first count. Approximately 2.7 million of Louisiana's 4.6 million people live in Greater NO, BR, and Lafayette. That's 60% of the state. And these are the cities most directly affected by the split.
Not to mention the total income disparity between these three cities (especially those families in the private school systems) and the rest of the state.
That's where LHSAA and the public school principals are short-sighted.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:37 pm to ProjectP2294
I haven't really been involved in this thread at all and don't want to read 30 pages of it. Can someone give me a recap of it? The public schools pushed for it? How will this affect certain schools, like Catholic, and their chances to win state titles? How do playoff seedings get decided? Etc.
TIA
I'm not sure how I see this working in LA. I don't think we're a big enough state for this to be necessary. Not sure if I like it
TIA
I'm not sure how I see this working in LA. I don't think we're a big enough state for this to be necessary. Not sure if I like it
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:38 pm to lsufan112001
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The Privates are acting like a dissed boyfriend that can't take no for an answer. the girl doesn't want anything to do with you, and you just can't accept it.
but yet as soon as she'd let you back in, you'd be dictacting the same BS that she was sick of in the first place.
just move on.....
A better analogy is that private schools are being asked to pay for dinner but are not allowed to eat.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:40 pm to Cap Crunch
Winnfields principal pushed for it. All districts will stay the same so that the public schools can still reach into the pockets of the private schools. But when the playoffs come, 3,4, and 5A privates will compete against each other, as will 1 and 2A. Publics will still compete in 5 classes, but not against the private schools.
So now, UHigh will play West Fel in district, and then Catholic or Rummel in the playoffs. Because it's all about fairness.
So now, UHigh will play West Fel in district, and then Catholic or Rummel in the playoffs. Because it's all about fairness.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:43 pm to Cap Crunch
Butthurt Winnfield principal loses to Curtis, decides it wasn't a fair game.
Principals who have LA 50th in education agree.
Good schools, public and private, are now ashamed to be a part of the LHSAA
Principals who have LA 50th in education agree.
Good schools, public and private, are now ashamed to be a part of the LHSAA
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:44 pm to Antonio Moss
I wouldn't include Lafayette in that number because it has a much higher percentage of its population attending public school than New Orleans that Baton Rouge and New Orleans.
Quick, in my head count tells me that between Teurlings and STM, that's about 1,800 students. Throw in a couple of the fly-by-nights and newcomers and it might be 2,200-2,300 total private school students in Lafayette. That's not even the enrollment of Lafayette High. Add up the public schools in the city (including Acadiana, which is in Scott but gets at least half its students from in the city, I would guess) and you have about 7k students in public schools. That's not even including places like Carencro and Breaux Bridge, which have kids that attend STM and (especially from Breaux Bridge) Teurlings.
Add those two schools and you have about 9k public school students, more than four times the private school enrollment. And the public schools compete just fine in athletics. Carencro, Acadiana and Breaux Bridge are good in football, Lafayette won a baseball state title, Northside's always good in hoops.
It's not like EBR, where the public schools are just awful and the private schools get a disproportionate number of the top players. If you name blue chip football players from Baton Rogue in the last 4-6 years, they are almost all from private schools.
Quick, in my head count tells me that between Teurlings and STM, that's about 1,800 students. Throw in a couple of the fly-by-nights and newcomers and it might be 2,200-2,300 total private school students in Lafayette. That's not even the enrollment of Lafayette High. Add up the public schools in the city (including Acadiana, which is in Scott but gets at least half its students from in the city, I would guess) and you have about 7k students in public schools. That's not even including places like Carencro and Breaux Bridge, which have kids that attend STM and (especially from Breaux Bridge) Teurlings.
Add those two schools and you have about 9k public school students, more than four times the private school enrollment. And the public schools compete just fine in athletics. Carencro, Acadiana and Breaux Bridge are good in football, Lafayette won a baseball state title, Northside's always good in hoops.
It's not like EBR, where the public schools are just awful and the private schools get a disproportionate number of the top players. If you name blue chip football players from Baton Rogue in the last 4-6 years, they are almost all from private schools.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:46 pm to Antonio Moss
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Actually, you're wrong on the first count. Approximately 2.7 million of Louisiana's 4.6 million people live in Greater NO, BR, and Lafayette. That's 60% of the state. And these are the cities most directly affected by the split.
You're assuming all those 2.7 million are in your camp.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:47 pm to League Champs
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Thats what they already know, and are so afraid of. Other states have proven that when you reduce the prestige of being accepted into the playoffs, the kids stay away.
You're off your rocker.
Other states have functional public schools systems. You think the "prestige" of playing in a watered down public school playoff is going to sway a kid over going to a functional high school that has better coaches, better teachers, better facilities, better support organizations, and puts more athletes into college?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:49 pm to Jim Rockford
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You're assuming all those 2.7 million are in your camp.
NOLA was overwhelmingly against the split, both private and public schools. The only school that I can think of that voted for it was West Jeff.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:51 pm to Antonio Moss
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You think the "prestige" of playing in a watered down public school playoff is going to sway a kid over going to a functional high school that has better coaches, better teachers, better facilities, better support organizations, and puts more athletes into college?
Isn't it obvious now that there is a split, future Tim Williamses will stay at Glen Oaks instead of going to UHigh, because the playoffs trump everything else. Duh.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:53 pm to ProjectP2294
a lot of NOLA did vote yes...
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:54 pm to CourseyCorridor
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Quick, in my head count tells me that between Teurlings and STM, that's about 1,800 students. Throw in a couple of the fly-by-nights and newcomers and it might be 2,200-2,300 total private school students in Lafayette. That's not even the enrollment of Lafayette High. Add up the public schools in the city (including Acadiana, which is in Scott but gets at least half its students from in the city, I would guess) and you have about 7k students in public schools. That's not even including places like Carencro and Breaux Bridge, which have kids that attend STM and (especially from Breaux Bridge) Teurlings.
The figure I used is the greater Lafayette area which would include Notre Dame, Sacred Heart, etc.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:55 pm to chalmetteowl
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a lot of NOLA did vote yes...
Which ones? All the ones I saw voted against it.
ETA: I wasn't counting the Northshore schools. They all wanted the split.
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:56 pm to Jim Rockford
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You're assuming all those 2.7 million are in your camp.
No, I'm not. How in the world did you come to that conclusion?
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:59 pm to ProjectP2294
Belle Chasse, Bonnabel, Covington, Helen Cox, Destrehan, Fisher, Fontainebleau, Hahnville, Haynes, Higgins, Lakeshore, Mandeville, Northshore, Sarah Reed, Riverdale, Riverside, Salmen, Slidell, South Plaquemines, West Jefferson, West St. John
all voted yes
all voted yes
Posted on 1/27/13 at 3:03 pm to chalmetteowl
I'm surprised by some of those. Plaquemines Parish schools have competed just fine with the private schools.
Posted on 1/27/13 at 3:03 pm to ProjectP2294
That's a bunch of bullshite. Sucks for 3A schools and sounds like its going to ruin a lot of rivalries. Also, what is the reward for winning your district now? It almost seems like district play means nothing now if you are going into different playoff brackets
Posted on 1/27/13 at 3:07 pm to Antonio Moss
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Other states have functional public schools systems. You think the "prestige" of playing in a watered down public school playoff is going to sway a kid over going to a functional high school that has better coaches, better teachers, better facilities, better support organizations, and puts more athletes into college?
The butthurt in this thread is almost entirely from the privates. That tells me they think they have the most to lose, their talk about this hurting the public schools notwithstanding.
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