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Tiger Ryno
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All this QB talk...Fact is Coaching is more important than Recruiting


Take our current QBs and recruits...in the hands of competent offense coaches there is no reason every single one of them couldn't become a top tier SEC QB...Even the most highly regarded talented prospects won't become that given our current state of offensive design and position coaching...The truth hurts, but when you see far less talented QBs every year surpass the performance of our guys, you have to put it on the coaching staff and their inability to develop guys' full potential.






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FulshearTexasTiger
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Take our current QBs and recruits...in the hands of competent offense coaches there is no reason every single one of them couldn't become a top tier SEC QB...Even the most highly regarded talented prospects won't become that given our current state of offensive design and position coaching...The truth hurts, but when you see far less talented QBs every year surpass the performance of our guys, you have to put it on the coaching staff and their inability to develop guys' full potential.



Oh boy, you're going to get it!!!! For what its worth I agree 100%.....just with Joe Alleva and Co. would wake the puck up and do something about it!!!! Obviously, if left up to CLM nothing will happen.






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BeeFense5
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Joe Alleva and Co. would wake the puck up and do something about it!!!


Anyone that advocates for the athletic director to start forcing coaching decisions on the head coach must really want the program to go down in flames.






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FulshearTexasTiger
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Anyone that advocates for the athletic director to start forcing coaching decisions on the head coach must really want the program to go down in flames.


Do not necessarily advocate it BeeFense 5, just think its something that needed to happen a few years back and it appears to me that CLM will not do it!






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You can beleive what you want to beleive, but if you bothered to objectively look at history and not just want to fret and bash LSU's coaches you'd realize this is not really true. Sure devolpement plays a role. But talent is the most important factor.

As just 1 example, I offer the University of Texas. The same coaches were there when they had Applewhite, Simms, Chance Mock and Garret Gilbert as where there when they had Vince Young and Colt McCoy.







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C
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Fact is Coaching is more important than Recruiting


So we have a top 5 coach over the past few year. That's what i thought.






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TigerFanNKaty
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Coaching in college to me is the most important piece. Talent obviously plays a big role, but these kids are still learning how to play the position they are recruited for. The biggest problem everyone sees with LSU is play calling and offensive play design not talent. That is squarely on the coaches. They have installed a system that is far to simple to defend period. This was done purposely and is now not working and not going to work as every member of our conference has seen it for two years now. If Miles is to stubborn or shortsighted to see it he deserves to be let go. If he does nothing the program will slowly start to look like Miami and FSU.





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CarRamrod
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you are such a whinny bitch....your avatar fits perfect.





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dagrippa
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Oh boy, you're going to get it!!!! For what its worth I agree 100%.....just with Joe Alleva and Co. would wake the puck up and do something about it!!!! Obviously, if left up to CLM nothing will happen.


FIRE EVERYONE! DEEERRRP!






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TexTiga
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Fact is Coaching is more important than Recruiting


Then explain why someone like Spurrier has had far less success at USCe than at Florida. Same Ole Ball Coach .......way better recruits at Florida.






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TigerFanNKaty
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Why is it whining to expect the offense to compliment the defense? Miles is a good man and a great recruiter we can all agree, but he does not demand excellence he just expects it. If they don't get there he is okay with it. His comments last week made me realize the difference between him and a coach like baby bear. Saban demands it, and he would not put up with a offense that underachieves they way ours does. Before you start with the Saban suckfest crap, I'll tell you I can't stand him, I am all about LSU being dominate, but it starting to be apparent to me, that Les doesn't have it in him to push for it.





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Choctaw
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Fact is Coaching is more important than Recruiting


but i keep hearing that LSU wins on talent alone...






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Tiger Ryno
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we do win most of the games we win on Talent aloen and on the quality coaching of our defense....on offense not so much...

The games where we blew out good teams were because our defensee took the ball away and scored or special teams made huge plays (Oregon game last Year, Auburn last year, Ark last year, Florida last year, SEC Champ last year)


We do not have quality coaching on the offensive side of the ball...

going to a "simpler, less complicated" offensive scheme means the coaches are admitting they aren't qualified to coach our players to run a scheme that actually is difficult to defend. YOu put great talent in a mediocre scheme you get average to below average results.

Besides that, we have terrible QB development. they simply don't get better at LSU






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airbornetiger
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The truth hurts, but when you see far less talented QBs every year surpass the performance of our guys, you have to put it on the coaching staff and their inability to develop guys' full potential.



LA Tech had the number one offense in the NCAA this year--would you like to trade talent with them?

Dude it isn't about flashy---it is about grinding out a season thru the the SEC. The difference between our rank of 85 and BAMA's rank of 31 is 75 yards per game---it really is 3 or 4 additional catches per game, which in turn would extend some drives and keep the opposing offense on the sideline. OF COURSE, the better solution would be to revamp the entire O w/ a new coordinator and new scheme and new personality and new timing patterns, so we can??????????






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Penrod
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Then explain why someone like Spurrier has had far less success at USCe than at Florida. Same Ole Ball Coach .......way better recruits at Florida.


Or why did Miles leave Okie State and Saban leave Mich State to go to LSU? It was so they could coach more talented players. Talent is 75% of success in football IMO.






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Choctaw
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we do win most of the games we win on Talent aloen


and all this time i thought you knew what the hell you were talking about






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FulshearTexasTiger
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LA Tech had the number one offense in the NCAA this year--would you like to trade talent with them?


No, but I would trade Studrawa for Tony Franklin!!!!!!






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TigerFanNKaty
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BAMA's rank of 31 is 75 yards per game---it really is 3 or 4 additional catches per game


It really isn't that simple alot of that is becuase they are getting defended, because the defense knows exactly what we are going to do. They know exactly when we are going to pass because we run 90% of the time on first and second down, so we get an all out blitz or they overload one side and rush more than we can block and Mett has to eat it, throw it away, or try to run and end up falling down.






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diehardfan
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No, LSU has shown time and again that it is more important to make money than have a serious commitment to winning.

And they have a group of Sunshine Pumpers who will defend their efforts at all costs.

You're absolutely correct but the LSU football program is doing precisely what is wanted from the athletic department.

Making money is more important than winning to the people running the show at LSU. Their inaction confirms this.

It's a damn shame too.



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dos crystal
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All this QB talk...Fact is Coaching is more important than Recruiting


This is not a fact. this is opinion. Players make coaches. plain and simple. Nick saban, who many hold in high regard around here, would not win a n.c. at vandy. And, he had the same record as shula did the prior year at bama his first year.

He recruited bettter players, bama became better. he was a loser in the n.f.l. where the talent margin isn't as drastic.

Curley hallman had brett favre, not many will claim he's a great developer of qbs.

Mike martz was an offensive genius until he lost kurt warner. David cutcliff hasn't "developed" another n.f.l. qb since he lost peyton and eli.

jimbo couldn't turn marcus randal into matt mauk. he couldn't "develop xavier lee or weatherford" however, he did well with palmer.

urban meyer couldn't develop brantley, yet, tim tebow was great.

Mack brown hasn't bee able to "develop" a qb since colt mccoy.

Shanahan hasn't been able to "develop" a qb in 10 years since elway, however, he gets rgIII and he's again a qb genius.

the FACT of the matter is our qb was mark richt's, whos a qb guru's, BACK UP QB. So no, other coaches can't make them into a top tier s.e.c. QB.

The critism should be, our coaches have done a poor job recruiting/evaluating talent at the qb position.

I do think it's getting better under krags. I think we have guys coming up that can and will change the table at that position.






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