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braindeadboxer
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Yes i love sitting in a coffee shop when some stranger walks in with his rifle around his shoulder. i have no clue who he his, what his motives are. This shoud definitely be allowed


Then buy an expresso machine and drink coffee at home if you can't handle it. Just because you "don't like something" doesn't mean you can strip the right away from a law abiding citizen.






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SmellslikeKevinBacon
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Both are one in the same being that restricting one and not restricting others help push a political agenda.





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braindeadboxer
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I understand some rulings have been in favor of this but that doesnt make them right


Well you just have to deal with it, or move. I really don't care which.






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Ace Midnight
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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Are you in a militia? Nope


The concept of the militia is the body of citizens capable of bearing arms. What idiocy would be an article of a bill of individual (and collective) rights to protect the right of governmental entities to bear arms? Anyone who seriously asserts this should be subject to psychological testing.

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Was this written when the common weapon was a muskett which can not be used for mass killings? Yep


Was the First Amendment written when the only way you could publish something is to take the time, effort and expense of publishing a newspaper or book? Yep. So the internet and electronic forms of communication were clearly not contemplated and are not protected.

(See how silly all these contortions are? I'm not saying you have to like the protection, but it is what it is. If you really don't like, amend the constitution, but all these contortions are just distasteful and unseemly.)



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alexman
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Is it not just as simple to state that since the technology has expanded (to include more sophisticated weapons)that so should the 2nd Amendment be expanded to include comparable weapons?


Do you really think that right now you would and group of bretheren would be able to join together and take out the US army. lol. The tech owned by the US military far surpasses that of what any civilian owns. So therefore there is no point bear arms to have a standing militia. but still i am in favor of owning these weapons in private but not carrying them around in public.



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Ace Midnight
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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Do you really think that right now you would and group of bretheran would be able to join together and take out the US army. lol. The tech owned by the US military far surpasses that of what any civilian owns. So therefore there is no point bear arms to have a standing militia. but still i am in favor of owning these weapons in private but not carrying them around in public.


The VC fought the US military to a standstill. Why? Political will. The probably of success is NOT required by the 2nd Amendment. The threat of such action by the population prevents the government from over-reaching. Take away that threat - the rest of your so-called rights aren't worth a hill of beans (literally and figuratively).






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Yes i love sitting in a coffee shop when some stranger walks in with his rifle around his shoulder. i have no clue who he his, what his motives are. This shoud definitely be allowed


So a legal act should not be allowed. As a LEO I should just start cuffing and stuffing people walking down the street because until I know who they are and what their motives are at the time.






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alexman
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The concept of the militia is the body of citizens capable of bearing arms


The concept our founders agreed upon is
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State

not yours






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Ace Midnight
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As a LEO I should just start cuffing and stuffing people walking down the street because until I know who they are and what their motives are at the time.


Five0 - I love you guys, but man, ya'll have to stop killing dogs.

And PLEASE find some way to speak on the issue without going through the chiefs. I know that 70 to 80 percent of line officers support citizen's rights to protect themselves with firearms.






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Five0
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So do you want to include the rest of the Amendment?

Amendment II. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.






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Five0
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And PLEASE find some way to speak on the issue without going through the chiefs


This is crap. Chiefs are political appointees most of the time, and they echo the policies of their bosses ie other politicians. It is a sham.






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alexman
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The threat of such action by the population prevents the government from over-reaching. Take away that threat - the rest of your so-called rights aren't worth a hill of beans (literally and figuratively).


Thankyou. So it comes down to you are afraid that our goverment will over take us and thats why we should be able to have whatever gun we please. To think that would ever happen this day is straight up crazy






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Ace Midnight
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not yours


That explains the necessity. The right is expressed, "[T]he right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

See? Language is funny like that. The expression of the right is a complete, independent, unqualified thought. The part you quoted:

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State


Is a fragment. It is not a complete thought - in fact, there is no verb in it at all. It makes no sense without the second part.



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alexman
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being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people

If you took english you would understand that a statement following that comma means the statement refers to the first statement made in the sentence

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So do you want to include the rest of the Amendment?

I already did on the first page dumbass






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Paluka
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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Do you really think that right now you would and group of bretheren would be able to join together and take out the US army. lol. The tech owned by the US military far surpasses that of what any civilian owns. So therefore there is no point bear arms to have a standing militia. but still i am in favor of owning these weapons in private but not carrying them around in public.


Nice troll. Also like the way you ignore part of what i say and distort the rest. You say there is no point but the constitution says we have the right. I choose to exercise that right. I have not planned on taking on the U.S. Army. How old are you? You MUST be in college.



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Are you in a militia? Nope
Was this written when the common weapon was a muskett which can not be used for mass killings? Yep

According to the SCOTUS, you're a fricking idiot.






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alexman
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That explains the necessity. The right is expressed, "[T]he right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

See? Language is funny like that. The expression of the right is a complete, independent, unqualified thought. The part you quoted:


Idiot the comma in statement means that it can be read like this

**To form**A well regulated Militia the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed. "To form" is infered "being neccessary to the security of a free state" is an appositional phrase so "A well regulated militia" must be followed by "the right of the people to keep and bear arm...." That makes a complete thought and if you knew what an appositional phrase was you would understand and you would also understand what is infered






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Vegas Bengal
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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The founding fathers say otherwise. As do multiple SCOTUS rulings since then on the subject. And to be honest, we don't care what you think. As much as it may pain you, you're opinion really doesn't even matter.


Actually it's only been since Scalia and his Heller 5-4 decision since the SCOTUS has had that interpretation. For two hundred years before that, no.

I mean it just makes sense...if the 2nd doesn't only apply to the militia, why mention the militia. And at the time we had no standing armies. The militia was for all intents and purposes, our military,







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Siderophore
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I was wondering this about a week ago as my father watched a piece blaming video games for violence.

It brought up that selling M rated games to only those 18 and over was struck down by the Supreme as infringement of free speech.

But the myriad gun restrictions, including age limits, are kosher?






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alexman
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You say there is no point but the constitution says we have the right. I choose to exercise that right.


And you distorted the part where i say that the constitution says that you have that right only to form a free standing militia the protect a free state.






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