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Offense vs Defense in the NFL? Which wins championships?
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:34 pm
Which one do you guys feel is more important in today's NFL? Obviously we have always heard that D wins championships, but is that true anymore?
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Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:35 pm to BlueIndian420
Both win about an equal amount of the time.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:38 pm to BlueIndian420
I think you can compensate for both. Steelers and Packers are recent examples of both. Offense seems to rule in the NFL right now
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:40 pm to BlueIndian420
Balance wins. Even if you skew one way you really need to be at least top 10ish, or above average, on the other side of the ball.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:42 pm to TigerinATL
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Balance wins. Even if you skew one way you really need to be at least top 10ish, or above average, on the other side of the ball.
This. I think it is pretty balanced in the NFL
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:46 pm to BlueIndian420
Definitely offense.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:49 pm to BlueIndian420
In the NFL Offense wins games, the defense wins the Super Bowl. I don't mean the defense will do enough to get you there and win, I mean that WHEN it's played the defense wins it for you.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:51 pm to BlueIndian420
NFL: Elite QB. Colts went 2-14 a year after Manning left. Denver is 13-3 now.
College: Defense and running game. don't need elite QB or elite WR. control the LOS.
College: Defense and running game. don't need elite QB or elite WR. control the LOS.
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:58 pm to Crompdaddy8
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NFL: Elite QB. Colts went 2-14 a year after Manning left. Denver is 13-3 now.
I hope you realize how awful this logic is
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:59 pm to Crompdaddy8
Denver also won a playoff game last year with the shittiest QB in the league and we don't know if the broncos will even win a playoff game yet this year with him.
Even though I'm sure they will.. You do not need an elite QB to be good. 3 rookie qbs made it to the playoffs this year. Alex Smith almost made it to the superbowl last year and was average and his replacement now is average.
Eli Manning isnt elite and he has won 2 with good defense, good running game, and above average qb play.
Even though I'm sure they will.. You do not need an elite QB to be good. 3 rookie qbs made it to the playoffs this year. Alex Smith almost made it to the superbowl last year and was average and his replacement now is average.
Eli Manning isnt elite and he has won 2 with good defense, good running game, and above average qb play.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:59 pm to BlueIndian420
It used to be D but the league has manipulated the rules so much in favor of the O it's now you win with QB&D
Posted on 1/11/13 at 1:36 pm to BlueIndian420
If you have an elite QB,a quality o-line,and a defense that can create turnovers,you can beat anybody.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 1:45 pm to ehidal1
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Packers
Didn't they have a really good defense that year?
I think Woodson won the Defensive player of the year
Posted on 1/11/13 at 1:46 pm to BlueIndian420
coaches
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:16 pm to BlueIndian420
We hear this a lot. That it is a QB league now and an offense driven league. But the numbers just don't jive with what seems like an obvious transition in the NFL. From a thread awhile back:
LINK:
Defense wins championships:
(total offense)/(total defense/scoring defense)
Great D:
_(9) / (5/_2) 2010 Green Bay
(22) / (1/_1) 2008 Steelers
(16) / (7/17) 2007 Giants
(15) / (4/_3) 2005 Steelers
(17) / (7/_1) 2003 Patriots
(24) / (1/_1) 2002 Buccaneers
(19) / (8/_6) 2001 Patriots
(16) / (2/_1) 2000 Ravens
More O than D:
_(8) / (27/25) 2011 Giants
_(1) / (25/20) 2009 Saints
_(3) / (21/23) 2006 Colts
_(7) / (_9/_3) 2004 Patriots <- just a great team on both sides of the ball
User Error:
(19) / (8/6) 2001 Patriots, how did they win it all? User error. They had a solid D.
edit: update
LINK:
Defense wins championships:
(total offense)/(total defense/scoring defense)
Great D:
_(9) / (5/_2) 2010 Green Bay
(22) / (1/_1) 2008 Steelers
(16) / (7/17) 2007 Giants
(15) / (4/_3) 2005 Steelers
(17) / (7/_1) 2003 Patriots
(24) / (1/_1) 2002 Buccaneers
(19) / (8/_6) 2001 Patriots
(16) / (2/_1) 2000 Ravens
More O than D:
_(8) / (27/25) 2011 Giants
_(1) / (25/20) 2009 Saints
_(3) / (21/23) 2006 Colts
_(7) / (_9/_3) 2004 Patriots <- just a great team on both sides of the ball
User Error:
(19) / (8/6) 2001 Patriots, how did they win it all? User error. They had a solid D.
edit: update
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:21 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
Saints o made the story's that year but their defense was making a lot of turnovers something they have failed to do since.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:36 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Anomaly: (19) / (24) 2001 Patriots,how did they win it all?
They did it for Murica
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:44 pm to wildtigercat93
If you have an elite qb and passing game you simply need a decent pass rush and a decent situational defense .
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:46 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
quote:
(total offense)/(total defense)
Thats your problem there.
Use scoring defense, it's a much better indicator.
quote:
(19) / (24) 2001 Patriots,how did they win it all?
By not listening to John Madden's pussy tactics.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:48 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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2001 Patriots,how did they win it all?
The NFL hates the Raiders
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