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CocomoLSU
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For some reason the makeup on JGL to make him look like a younger Bruce Willis bothered me. I really don't think it made him look that much more like BW.

It bothered me too. It didn't detract from my enjoyment of the movie or anything, but is was kinda weird since he still didn't look anything like Bruce Willis really.






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Hubbhogg
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it was a genetic mutation that affected 10% of the population and it never really "took off".(pardon the pun) There's no need to explain it, because it wasn't a big deal...


So all of a sudden 10% of the world can make shite float and it's not a big deal? David Blaine fakes levitating and people cream themselves






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TotesMcGotes
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I thought he looked plenty like a 30-years-younger Bruce Willis, if you're only considering what Willis looks like right now.





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DriveByBBQ
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If I met my future self I would try to come to a nonviolent solution to the problem and exhaust all other options...

Did anyone see any significance to sid's mom running her fingers through JGL's hair at the end of the movie. He mentioned to the prostitute that his mother used to run her hands through his hair... Maybe I'm reading to much into it...

annnd...he should of just shot his hand...

Thought this was a solid film, thought provoking. Loved the song at the closing credits. I give it 3 1/2 out of 5 BBQ's....






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WPBTiger
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I thought it was a very good movie but I don't get people saying its the best film of the year.







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jeff5891
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He became the Rainmaker without Old Joe's help. If Joe did kill his mom, he would have known who it was the first instance he came back, and not killed those other kids first.

I agree that Joe would have kept pursuing the kid, but it would have been harder for him to catch up to him


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Thus, the time travel frick ups.


or it could mean that in the first timeline the rainmaker wasnt caused by joe but joe going back in time caused him to set the kid on the path to becoming the rainmaker. I think that you can look at it as there is no changing the future, some how the timeline will workout to where the child will always become the rainmaker






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Eternally Undefeated
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Thought it was an entertaining movie but, maybe I missed something. Wasn't the whole gist of loopers was the disposal of bodies because bodies could not be hidden in the future? If so, what was done with the body of Bruce Willis's wife? There was no hesitation shown in blowing her away.





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Tigris
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I just watched it tonight and was somewhat underwhelmed. It was good but if it's in my top 10 for the year then it will just barely make it. The scenery of the dystopian future and the guys running around in black trench coats made this feel like something that's been shown before. And yeah, the whole time travel thing creates so many "but what about..." objections that it's distracting. And I don't really care to have the director make an obvious point to try to dismiss this during the movie. Sorry, you can't just tell us to ignore it.

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The intention is for the audience to completely avoid discussing any time travel/looping issues and just take the movie for what it is. The biggest problem with this is that the movie is entirely based around time travel and thus you cant discuss the movie without discussing the inherent flaws with the time travel plot.


Still, the acting was pretty good, I liked JGL doing the young Bruce Willis thing, and it was original enough in its own way to be interesting. On the other hand this movie really needed to be fleshed out more and the ending less rushed.






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rdw1690
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Since young Joe kills himself, does that mean that all the people old joe killed while he was looped back to the past come back to life or are they dead now?
I know I'm getting caught up in the time travel aspect of the movie but I was just wondering what some of y'all think about it.






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Bayou Sam
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In my opinion, the whole point of the end--that is, the part of the movie after JGL shoots himself--is to give you time to think about JGL's mistake. The rainmaker became the rainmaker without the help of BW. He'll become the rainmaker anyway.





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cjared036
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I think the fact that the kids mom knows her kid is the rainmaker will make her work to be more protective of the kid.

Avoid him becoming evil in the future.

Good flick. I had to watch it again to tie a lot of peices together.

12 monkeys is one of my favorite movies and this reminded me a lot of it. Having BW in it helped a lot






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TulaneTigerFan
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I finally watched this movie tonight, and it was really good. The time travel could have been handled better though (I have a feeling they were aware of this, thus the brief reference to not picking it apart in the diner scene). Let me break this down for everyone, since people don't seem to get it.

My boy totes is correct. This movie attempted to use two separate theories and blend them in an illogical manner. A single timeline was applied to people, yet an alternate timeline was applied to everything else. For example, the messages carved in people's arms point to a single, fixed timeline. But if we're operating under a fixed timeline, then how are actions taken that shouldn't have been possible? How does a man with no feet operate a car, or climb a fence? It's inconsistent logic.

Another example is the end when young Joe shoots himself. If that had actually happened, then Old Joe never would have been in that field. The truck full of gold bars never would have been driven out there, etc. Time should have basically reset to prior to Old Joe ever going back and created what my homey Stephen Hawking (and to a lesser extent Kip Thorne) likes to refer to as a closed timelike curve. This would have basically created a loop within which hundreds or thousands of iterations of this movie could have played out. Now it's possible that this did actually happen in the film's universe, and what we saw was just a single iteration. It would also explain the initial creation of the "rain man" as referenced by Old Joe in the diner scene. The movie gave us no indication that this actually happened though.






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Smokedawg
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Finally watched it. I liked it and JGL was money of course.

But i didn't like the ending/TK explosion nonsense

The little kid was annoying and I couldn't have cared less if he was in it or not.






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Flair Chops
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watched it last night.

old joe was not the cause of the rainmaker being the rainmaker. he killed older joe the first time he was sent back.


it won't apply to joe because of the suicide, but the way the movie/time travel was portrayed, a looper is essentially immortal. they live 30 years, get sent back in time to be killed by their younger self who is sent back in time in 30 years to be killed, etc. that's kind of fricking with my head this morning.


aside from the frick in my mind, i enjoyed it. excellent performances all around.


when jeff daniels was telling joe to learn mandarin, is it because he knew that's what he'd need to be fluent in, since he is from the future?






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cjared036
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I assumed he told him to go to china because of china's economic emergence. Nothing more than that.





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LSUgirl4
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i finally watched this movie and loved it.
i watched it twice over in a row and then went online to see if my theories would hold up with the directors explanations of the end.
i don't think they did.
i thought that joe and cid might be the same guy.

but i liked this theory as well...
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What if Cid is Joe & Sarah’s kid. He has so many powers because he is TK & can loop (maybe loopers have to have a genetic component as well) they all went back in time to stop him from turning into the rainmaker. Sarah had a druggie past also so they were bound to run into each other!


who knows?...

it was interesting though.






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Baloo
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I get a kick out of this thread. People are just obsessed with the mechanics of time travel to the point where they just try and make their pet theories work. Here's the key to understanding it in the movie: THEY DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS. We're all working from incomplete information, and I just like how the movie says "it exists, we don't understand it, we do it anyway" and then just moves on instead of getting into a two hour boring arse argument about how time travel works. It does, in this universe. Who cares how? It's not really important to the plot.

Freed from the mechanical arguments, the movie does what it wants with time travel. Mainly, because it is far more concerned with the philosophical ramifications. It's really asking the question that if you could go back in time and murder Hitler as a child, would you? Would that be ethical?

The movie argues that no, it is not. Because that child is a different person than the monster he will become.







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Indiana Tiger
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Freed from the mechanical arguments, the movie does what it wants with time travel. Mainly, because it is far more concerned with the philosophical ramifications. It's really asking the question that if you could go back in time and murder Hitler as a child, would you? Would that be ethical?

The movie argues that no, it is not. Because that child is a different person than the monster he will become.


I enjoyed Looper, but it doesn't take anything seriously and handles the philosophical shite very badly. Do they know how time travel works? No, but one thing I'm pretty certain about is that it wouldn't work in contradictory ways that conveniently match what a director wants at any point in time. The rules should be consistent and they are not in extremely blatant ways.

The movie doesn't touch on whether you should kill Hitler as a child. It could have been. For whatever random reason they had for the telekinesis in the first place, given the kid's ability, he could have grown up into a walking Death Star who did really bad things later in life.

All he really did that we know of is that he had paid assassins killed and during the process his henchmen accidentally killed old Joe's wife as collateral damage. He, the Rainmaker, was a man seeking vigilante justice, not a genocidal maniac seeking world domination. Old Joe, the former assassin, was trying to save his innocent wife and his own skin. Asking whether the child should die in this example is not a complex philosophical question. As I said, badly done.






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