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The Saints' Secondary
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:12 pm
I know that our defensive line needs help, but would most of you agree that our secondary is poor in coverage and horrendous in terms of tackling. Roman Harper needs to go, and I would move Jenkins to strong safety. Greer is still effective. Robinson always seems to be near his man, but never locates the ball; this should be corrected with coaching. Robinson is also not the greatest tackler in the world. We need a badass free safety ( why didn't we pursue Laron Landry?) that opponents fear when they go over the middle. Who is available in the draft that can make an immediate impact?
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Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:14 pm to LSU4Life123
My honest opinion is that a difference maker at pass rusher would make the secondary look infinitely better.
Although I definitely want to nab a CB and/or S in the draft.
Although I definitely want to nab a CB and/or S in the draft.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:20 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I'd like to see us go OT with the 1st pick and go defense the rest of the way. I trust spags will get guys that fit what he wants to do the most.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:20 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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My honest opinion is that a difference maker at pass rusher would make the secondary look infinitely better.
I agree with this. Also, Landry wasn't the solution. He's a strong safety who has been a liability in coverage, and he struggles to stay healthy. He wouldn't have been a great upgrade over what we have.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:29 pm to LSU4Life123
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( why didn't we pursue Laron Landry?
lol
Why would you rather have jenkins than harper?
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:31 pm to LSU4Life123
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our secondary is poor in coverage
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why didn't we pursue Laron Landry?)
Just stop.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:33 pm to LSU4Life123
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I know that our defensive line needs help, but would most of you agree that our secondary is poor in coverage and horrendous in terms of tackling.
They've been significantly better in coverage since the pass rush has improved...funny how that works. Most of the secondaries in the league are bad at tacking (SF the obvious exception that comes to mind).
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Roman Harper needs to go
He's actually played quite a bit better over the 2nd half of the season...I like what we're doing with him.
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and I would move Jenkins to strong safety.
So you're moving one of the poorer tacklers to a position that is used more for run support?
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Greer is still effective. Robinson always seems to be near his man, but never locates the ball; this should be corrected with coaching.
pretty much agree on both counts although again I think the play of both has improved with the increase in pressure by the front 7.
Robinson is also not the greatest tackler in the world.
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We need a badass free safety ( why didn't we pursue Laron Landry?)
so you talk about not being able to cover and you want this roided out punk? The dude is a GIANT coverage liability.
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that opponents fear when they go over the middle.
so we can get hit with 15 yard flags every single time? The intimidating headhunter safety has been rendered completely obsolete in the new NFL.
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Who is available in the draft that can make an immediate impact?
hopefully more pass rushers
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:34 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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My honest opinion is that a difference maker at pass rusher would make the secondary look infinitely better.
ALL DAY
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:43 pm to LSU4Life123
Someone is equating Laron Landry's off-season photo ops with on field success.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:56 pm to St Augustine
The point is that the secondary has to improve, and we cannot pay Harper 7 plus million for his talent level. I do think Jenkins has the size to play strong safety; I think he is fair at free.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:07 pm to LSU4Life123
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Roman Harper needs to go, and I would move Jenkins to strong safety
I think Harper has been more than serviceable this yr. Jenkins has been terrible.
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We need a badass free safety ( why didn't we pursue Laron Landry?
Does not compute.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:10 pm to Fleur de Diable
the Jets were the only one that even gave landry a sniff. Now there is a true shell of his former self player. Way worse than Harper all the way around.
Harper gets way too much grief. He is an above avg NFL SS. I only have beef with his cap hit- $15mil the next 2 yrs. He's right behind Palomalu, Goldson, & Weddle in pay (and going up). That's a bit overpaid.
I've about given up on Jenkins. His arrow was pointed way up in '10 but he's gone backwards for 2 seasons. Terrible angles & arm tackling. Let him go after his rookie deal expires in 2014 unless he comes to life next year.
Said before, methinks Robinson might have had the hardest transition to Spags D than any other player. He was drafted primarily for his man skills and that is virtually out the window now. He has located the ball enough for 3 INTs and has more passes defended than anyone else on the team.
If they wanted to make a free agent splash letting Harper or Jenkins go William Moore & Goldson are on tap for UFA.
Draftwise for 3rd Rd safeties I like-
Matt Elam FL
Tony Jefferson OK
Bacarri Rambo GA
Phillip Thomas Fresno St
Robert Lester AL
Harper gets way too much grief. He is an above avg NFL SS. I only have beef with his cap hit- $15mil the next 2 yrs. He's right behind Palomalu, Goldson, & Weddle in pay (and going up). That's a bit overpaid.
I've about given up on Jenkins. His arrow was pointed way up in '10 but he's gone backwards for 2 seasons. Terrible angles & arm tackling. Let him go after his rookie deal expires in 2014 unless he comes to life next year.
Said before, methinks Robinson might have had the hardest transition to Spags D than any other player. He was drafted primarily for his man skills and that is virtually out the window now. He has located the ball enough for 3 INTs and has more passes defended than anyone else on the team.
If they wanted to make a free agent splash letting Harper or Jenkins go William Moore & Goldson are on tap for UFA.
Draftwise for 3rd Rd safeties I like-
Matt Elam FL
Tony Jefferson OK
Bacarri Rambo GA
Phillip Thomas Fresno St
Robert Lester AL
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:16 pm to bearhc
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I do think Jenkins has the size to play strong safety;
everyone bitches about him not being able to tackle...yet we're going to move him to SS?
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:18 pm to blueslover
quote:best safety in the draft
Phillip Thomas Fresno St
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:24 pm to fightingtigers98
I would like to see Jenkins back at corner
This post was edited on 12/18/12 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:52 pm to LSU4Life123
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Roman Harper needs to go
Not so sure about this hes had a good year.
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Jenkins
Probley the most disapointing player on the team, he deffinately needs to step up to keep his job next year.
I have no worries about Greer.
Robinson had a rough start to the season but is finishing well.
I think the secondary is all gonna depend on how well Jenkins improves next year imo, im good with our cbs and harper.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 6:04 pm to blueslover
I agree that Harper gets way too much grief. Safeties are typically called upon to be the most versatile players on the defense. They have to cover and tackle as major parts of their game. No safety in the league is great at both. The best safeties in the league are great at one and good at the other. Harper had a rough start, but at worst he is an average safety, being paid like a top 5 safety.
This post was edited on 12/18/12 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 12/18/12 at 6:31 pm to fightingtigers98
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Phillip Thomas Fresno St
best safety in the draft
I would fricking love it if they draft this dude!!
And as far as all the retardedness going on in here, Im not gonna even try to reason with it.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:11 pm to Meateye
I'm with blues on Harper. My only issue is his contract. I doubt they let him walk, but I'd love to get Moore. Young SS from a division rival. No brainer IMO.
I don't know what's up with Jenkins and PRob this year. I really believe that PRob is the most talented guy in the secondary, but he's just lacks ball skills or awareness or something. I wonder how Jenkins would be at CB with all this zone coverage? For whatever reason he's just a non-factor this year.
Greer is still an above average CB. Like I said in the other thread, he does sometimes let his guys get deep on him. I wonder if that's scheme or just botched coverage?
And yeah, the lack of any viable pass rusher puts a ton of pressure on the defensive backfield. I think we have plenty of talent in the backfield with Greer, PRob, White, Mack, Harper, Jenkins & IAQ to avoid going secondary in the draft.
Loomis, SIGN WILLIAM MOORE. Do It!!!
I don't know what's up with Jenkins and PRob this year. I really believe that PRob is the most talented guy in the secondary, but he's just lacks ball skills or awareness or something. I wonder how Jenkins would be at CB with all this zone coverage? For whatever reason he's just a non-factor this year.
Greer is still an above average CB. Like I said in the other thread, he does sometimes let his guys get deep on him. I wonder if that's scheme or just botched coverage?
And yeah, the lack of any viable pass rusher puts a ton of pressure on the defensive backfield. I think we have plenty of talent in the backfield with Greer, PRob, White, Mack, Harper, Jenkins & IAQ to avoid going secondary in the draft.
Loomis, SIGN WILLIAM MOORE. Do It!!!
Posted on 12/18/12 at 8:17 pm to Suntiger
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I really believe that PRob is the most talented guy in the secondary, but he's just lacks ball skills or awareness or something.
He's made several good on-ball plays this season. In fact, I think he has good ball skills. He's physically outmatched is the problem. He gets blown by bigger, faster receivers all the time
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