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Some Chomsky quotes that are rather interesting



I'm no fan of his, but I do think that these quotes are at least interesting enough to bring about. I don't necessarily agree with these fully but I do think that they have some value in at least making people question what is out there.
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The point of public relations slogans like "Support our troops" is that they don't mean anything... That's the whole point of good propaganda. You want to create a slogan that nobody's going to be against, and everybody's going to be for. Nobody knows what it means, because it doesn't mean anything. Its crucial value is that it diverts your attention from a question that does mean something: Do you support our policy? That's the one you're not allowed to talk about.



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Pick the topic you like: the Middle East, international terrorism, Central America, whatever it is-the picture of the world that's presented to the public has only the remotest relation to reality. The truth of the matter is buried under edifice after edifice of lies upon lies. It's all been a marvelous success from the point of view in deterring the threat of democracy, achieved under conditions of freedom, which is extremely interesting. It's not like a totalitarian state, where it's done by force. These achievements are under conditions of freedom.









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I assume those are from Manufacturing Consent?

Great book and spot on about a lot of things






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I love intelligent people and their ability to express themselves eloquently.


I just hate how the make me feel so inadequate.









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Maybe we should get into a discussion about how sports are pushed as a way to placate the masses and keep them from asking the hard questions about their government





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I'll just address the first canard.

Support our troops means support our troops. Be supportive. Be positive. Support them. That's why it's not "Support the war effort" or "support the war". I think it's the opposite of Chomsky's too-clever-by-half analysis. And you are allowed to talk about policy. We all do it every fricking day. Nobody is more impressed by Chomsky than Chomsky.







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Maybe we should get into a discussion about how sports are pushed as a way to placate the masses and keep them from asking the hard questions about their governmen


LINK

There's a few contradicting things in the video, Alan is a little weird, but the core of his point hit me hard a few years ago.

And OP, I like this thread. You selected a couple very good quotes to share.



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Support our troops means support our troops. Be supportive. Be positive. Support them

But I think unless you're actually being proactive and doing something to help the troops then the statement really is meaningless. And it is perhaps intentionally meaningless as he suggests.

No one is going to say "Hey, frick you, I don't support the troops!" and expect to be taken seriously. Unless their audience is code pink or some other morons.






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Support our troops means support our troops. Be supportive. Be positive. Support them. That's why it's not "Support the war effort" or "support the war". I think it's the opposite of Chomsky's too-clever-by-half analysis. And you are allowed to talk about policy.


People who criticized the Iraq war were told to sit down and shut up because they weren't "supporting the troops"






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People who criticized the Iraq war were told to sit down and shut up because they weren't "supporting the troops"


Yes

This is definitely true to some extent






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The point of public relations slogans like "Support our troops" is that they don't mean anything... That's the whole point of good propaganda. You want to create a slogan that nobody's going to be against, and everybody's going to be for. Nobody knows what it means, because it doesn't mean anything. Its crucial value is that it diverts your attention from a question that does mean something: Do you support our policy? That's the one you're not allowed to talk about.


I agree with that.

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Pick the topic you like: the Middle East, international terrorism, Central America, whatever it is-the picture of the world that's presented to the public has only the remotest relation to reality. The truth of the matter is buried under edifice after edifice of lies upon lies. It's all been a marvelous success from the point of view in deterring the threat of democracy, achieved under conditions of freedom, which is extremely interesting. It's not like a totalitarian state, where it's done by force. These achievements are under conditions of freedom.


I kind of disagree with this. I would change the last sentence to read "These achievements are under conditions of apathy."






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I often feel like I have a Chomsky like understanding of the power of words and language but when I try to convey that on this site people misunderstand or say that i'm being ridiculous. Like the other night when I was arguing that the use of propaganda within the military was responsible for soldiers willingness to self sacrifice.

Yea I just gave myself props




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I would change the last sentence to read "These achievements are under conditions of apathy."


Or from a populace that's too comfortable to care






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WikiTiger


It's a typical thing, it's how the vultures treat people with thoughts that aren't linear and propelled by pre-concieved beliefs.






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Yea I just gave myself props


It's ok

I like to think that I have an understanding of such things on occasion but I'm even worse at delivering the message







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It's a typical thing, it's how the vultures treat people with thoughts that aren't linear and propelled by pre-concieved beliefs.



Whoa, this dude is edgy.






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Or from a populace that's too comfortable to care



I held off on getting a facebook account for the longest time. I just didn't have an interest in it. Not that I thought I was too cool for it, but I didn't like the idea of people I didn't have anything to say to finding me. When I finally did, I notice that the women on facebook loved sharing inspirational memes.

I thought to myself "This is probably the best time and place in history to be alive. Why do they need to be inspired?"

No real point. It just popped in my head.



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You would probably crack up laughing at my last facebook status making fun of my facebook friends and their inspirational quotes.





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Share pls.





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Whoa, this dude is edgy.


I could only imagine how you would have responded if I wrote what wikitiger wrote.






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You're so sensitive.





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