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ShortyRob
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How many PTers still support the Afghan war?


If so, why?

I'm here. My support for it was waning before I arrived. Now, I think that the American taxpayers should be in full revolt over this thing.

This isn't a war. This is one giant transfer of wealth between the U.S. taxpayer and assorted key Afghans(and key contractors). This shite should be investigated and people should be in jail.







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Radiojones
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re: How many PTers still support the Afghan war?


I think we went there for the right reasons but now it is time to come home. I like the idea of using drones/air power to keep the bad guys at bay but I hate that there are Americans on the ground.

Please stay safe and thank you for your committment to our country.






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ShortyRob
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Please stay safe and thank you for your committment to our country


Let me clarify. I was here before(2004) as a Soldier. That is not the capacity I'm here now in.






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Patrick O Rly
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I think we went there for the right reasons but now it is time to come home.


I disagree. Not that we didn't have the right to hunt down the people responsible, but I don't think that required occupying a shithole full of pedophiles.






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white perch
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I was here before(2004) as a Soldier. That is not the capacity I'm here now in.


Either way, thank you for your service. I and my family are safer because of you.

To the original question though, I was opposed to the war to begin with. Not that I didnt want to get the responsible parties. I did want to get them. But going to war in the middle east is like getting stuck in quick sand: the more you fight, the more it sucks you in. Plus, there is nothing we can really do to stabilize this area. It is something that the people there have to do. We cannot impose it upon them. If they want order, then they have to make it happen. Also, other major countries, ie russia, have tried to do the same thing in the past with abysmal results. Why should we expect any different. Lastly, I think the best way to stabilize any area would be to allow business and industry in to set up a steady flow of jobs and goods for purchase.

And another big challenge this area of the world faces is that there is not enough suitable land for agriculture to produce enough food to sustain there own population. (I might be wrong about that last point, it's just what i've heard)






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LC412000
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I am ok with leaving the Afghan war, but with the understanding that we return to sweep the pavement left behind after we drop a few atomics

Keep telling you people, elect me President, we no longer have to worry about these small issues screwing up our lives






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Patrick O Rly
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I am ok with leaving the Afghan war, but with the understanding that we return to sweep the pavement left behind after we drop a few atomics








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I originally supported the war and think we went into afghan for the right reasons, but we should have been out within 1-2yrs.

Should have put a dent into the Taliban leadership and then left them to be.


With Iraq, I think strategic strikes would have been the best thing. A week long bombing campaign and then let it be.






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LC412000
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ith Iraq, I think strategic strikes would have been the best thing. A week long bombing campaign and then let it be.


See, Lsut81 could be my VP....drop a few atomics and people stand up, take notice, stfu and stop running around the streets throwing rocks and burning USA flags






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RCDfan1950
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Grand Experiment...PC, 'win hearts and minds' warfare and Democratic nationbuilding...for Muslim nations. Grand FAIL.

The vast majority of Muslims will vote their religion like blacks vote their skin color. And their *religion*...is bad...for the rest of us. Israel has it right...go in...make em pay...get the hell out no apologies or fixing stuff.

Just a matter of time...with Pakistan being nuked up, Moderate Muslims will have to decide whether they want to be martyrs or not. The rest of us damn sure don't...and will cut loose is that's what it takes.

A mess! Live and learn.







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I think the U.S. needs to re-assess its policies regarding an obligation to engage in nation building after accomplishing its primary military objectives in wars. I had no problems with removing and crushing the Taliban as they deserved it for their support of OBL and AQ. Once that was accomplished I wasn't interested in trying to install a government as I had zero confidence that any government of Afghanistan would be without corruption, and thus could not be relied upon. I would have simply let the various tribal leaders know that we would hold them, and their families, personally responsible for any acts of terror traceable to their territory, and we would strike without mercy. Then let them fight among themselves as they have been doing for centuries.

The cultural gap between the Afghan people and western civilization is simply too large to bridge.

I admit that I had higher hopes for Iraq. I thought the people of Iraq were better educated, and less devoted to following religious leaders. Our experience in Iraq has taught me that we must consider Islam, and its adherants to be the equivalent of the Nazi's. Their ideals are incompatible with our way of life. We are told the run of the mill Muslim is a peaceful person who has no ill will for Westerners. The same was thought of the average German citizen who tolerated the Nazi's. I think George W. Bush was right about one thing, but he articulated it wrong. He said, "If you aren't with us you're against us," but he should have said, "If you aren't against them you're against us" with regard to Muslim extremists.






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WikiTiger
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A lot of hindsight in this thread, but many people were making these arguments BEFORE we went into Afghanistan and they were laughed at, called pacifist pussies, and ignored.

Let's face reality: Americans have a bloodlust. And that's not a compliment.






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ShortyRob
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re: How many PTers still support the Afghan war?


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A lot of hindsight in this thread, but many people were making these arguments BEFORE we went into Afghanistan and they were laughed at, called pacifist pussies, and ignored.

Personally, I think the retaliation intent was fine. But the shite we're doing now frankly has about zero to do with 9-11.

I wouldn't even say we're nation building. We're just making a bevy of indivuals rich. Now I get how the American contractors got on the gravy train. That is a very well worn trail in American politics. But for frick's sake, I've no idea what the frick we're doing pouring money into the hands of key Afghans who have literally zero likelihood of being in charge after we leave.






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white perch
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many people were making these arguments BEFORE we went into Afghanistan and they were laughed at, called pacifist pussies, and ignored.


I was one of those people. Look where we are now. We've spent trillions of dollars, lost thousands of lives, and that place is still a quagmire.







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NC_Tigah
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This isn't a war. This is one giant transfer of wealth between the U.S. taxpayer and assorted key Afghans(and key contractors). This shite should be investigated and people should be in jail.


Take care over there SR!






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los angeles tiger
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Funny how in 2008 the dems rallied around going full force back into Afghanistan and were chastising the Bush administration for not completing the mission there. It was called "the good war" by the dems.





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