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We are Tigers, not lambs
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:00 pm
One of the most irritating aspects of the Les Miles to Arkansas discussion is the knowledge that we the fans have been thrust into a play not of our choosing in which invisible, but well-known hands, are directing the action that will potentially result in the payment of several million dollars to CLM and his agents without additional value being received by the university, the team, or the huddled Tiger nation.
The coaching/agent industry has perfected this system of salary escalation over many years so that their own "value," whether real or imagined, has spiraled to unimaginable heights. Is there any among us who does not understand how this works? It is a well practiced-formula whereby the news is leaked that one well-heeled university has offered the coach of another university a munificent sum to leave. Never mind contracts, as they only seem to matter when a failed coach is cashiered. (see Auburn and Gene Chizik)
So the party of the second part (his current school) is publicly induced/coaxed into a larger salary, requiring boosts of a million dollars a year or more, to match the suitor's.
Most of the time the coach who is being courted has little if any interest in leaving dear old U to begin with, and with a few artful shrugs and private expressions of fealty accepts the gratitude and dollars of his current school.
Yes, he was perfectly happy at the time of his previous terms of employment contract to labor for the agreed amount--but this new way forward is paved with gold, and why shouldn't he have profit from the cleverness of this bargaining device?
You sense in comments on this board, however, that some are saying in essence, enough.
We are, after all, a fan-nation of Tigers, not lambs. The idea of being led to the pay office in such an eye-winking fashion that suggests we are blind to the guise does not go down well.
I like Coach Miles as well as the next person, and perhaps better than most, but perhaps it is a good time to simply say we hope you stay per the terms of your contract, but if you really feel the need to go to the school in Fayetteville, then we will look forward to seeing you again in Baton Rouge, come November.
The coaching/agent industry has perfected this system of salary escalation over many years so that their own "value," whether real or imagined, has spiraled to unimaginable heights. Is there any among us who does not understand how this works? It is a well practiced-formula whereby the news is leaked that one well-heeled university has offered the coach of another university a munificent sum to leave. Never mind contracts, as they only seem to matter when a failed coach is cashiered. (see Auburn and Gene Chizik)
So the party of the second part (his current school) is publicly induced/coaxed into a larger salary, requiring boosts of a million dollars a year or more, to match the suitor's.
Most of the time the coach who is being courted has little if any interest in leaving dear old U to begin with, and with a few artful shrugs and private expressions of fealty accepts the gratitude and dollars of his current school.
Yes, he was perfectly happy at the time of his previous terms of employment contract to labor for the agreed amount--but this new way forward is paved with gold, and why shouldn't he have profit from the cleverness of this bargaining device?
You sense in comments on this board, however, that some are saying in essence, enough.
We are, after all, a fan-nation of Tigers, not lambs. The idea of being led to the pay office in such an eye-winking fashion that suggests we are blind to the guise does not go down well.
I like Coach Miles as well as the next person, and perhaps better than most, but perhaps it is a good time to simply say we hope you stay per the terms of your contract, but if you really feel the need to go to the school in Fayetteville, then we will look forward to seeing you again in Baton Rouge, come November.
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:11 pm to penman
That is the best written piece I have ever read on this site, and agree with your analysis. You will either be ignored or blasted by the mouth breathers for using sentence structure and grammar above a third grade level. good luck to you.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:13 pm to penman
I like
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:13 pm to penman
That damned old free market again. 
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:17 pm to penman
Most will say tl.dr but I enjoyed the read 
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:18 pm to penman
People here can learn from this bargaining tool. Maybe they could get McDonalds to raise their pay by a nickel or two by leveraging Burger King.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:21 pm to penman
Good post.
I wish I knew how to post a link, but if you go to ESPN there is current a 4 min video roundtable discussion with Skip Bayliss, Stephan A Smith and others where they discuss how schools should not be able to come after coaches like this and how coaches should be more obligated to their contracts. Interesting discussion with some valid points. Worth a look
I wish I knew how to post a link, but if you go to ESPN there is current a 4 min video roundtable discussion with Skip Bayliss, Stephan A Smith and others where they discuss how schools should not be able to come after coaches like this and how coaches should be more obligated to their contracts. Interesting discussion with some valid points. Worth a look
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:27 pm to Barrister
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Lawrence Tibbett and John McCormack got into a friendly argument about their respective B-flats. "I can sing a better B-flat than you can" Tibbett proclaimed and produced a sample. McCormack grinned and replied "Maybe so...but I get more money for my B-flats than you do." This ended the argument.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:27 pm to penman
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I like Coach Miles as well as the next person, and perhaps better than most, but perhaps it is a good time to simply say we hope you stay per the terms of your contract, but if you really feel the need to go to the school in Fayetteville, then we will look forward to seeing you again in Baton Rouge, come November
:kige:
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:29 pm to penman
I totally agree with everthing you have written.
It is absolutely insane for an employer to ever offer more money to keep a valued employee. Once the employee is in the house, so to speak, he/she is bound forever to that employer. He serves at the whim as well at the pay grade that such employer desires.
It is similarily foolish for an outside entity to ever believe that the employee of another entity would be value to him and offer him more money.
Also it is foolish to let university officials have the final say so in the hiring, paying and/orfiring of coaches. It is the fans that shuold make these decisions.
It is absolutely insane for an employer to ever offer more money to keep a valued employee. Once the employee is in the house, so to speak, he/she is bound forever to that employer. He serves at the whim as well at the pay grade that such employer desires.
It is similarily foolish for an outside entity to ever believe that the employee of another entity would be value to him and offer him more money.
Also it is foolish to let university officials have the final say so in the hiring, paying and/orfiring of coaches. It is the fans that shuold make these decisions.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:30 pm to penman
I agree that Alleva shouldn't be duped into an astounding $1MM pay raise by the specter of an offer Miles has no intention of accepting.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:30 pm to penman
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One of the most irritating aspects of the Les Miles to Arkansas discussion is the knowledge that we the fans have been thrust into a play not of our choosing in which invisible, but well-known hands, are directing the action that will potentially result in the payment of several million dollars
welcome to sports
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:33 pm to penman
reality is reality. LSU has the choice of playing the game or not. there is a risk associated with not playing the game and if the strategy fails, heads will roll.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:39 pm to penman
Your post is well articulated, and reasonably well-reasoned. The reality, of course, is that no state permits an employer, public or private, to force an employee to work against his will. If an employee wants to quit, the only recourse is to collect whatever damages are provided for in the contract (such as a "buyout" provision) or can be proven (which is difficult at best), and to enforce any non-compete that may be in the contract and that is legally enforceable. Consequently, any employee has the right to quit at any time, and then it is up to the employer to decide if negotiating an increase in compensation is the best approach to retaining his services (if retaining is what the employer determines is in its best interest). Corporate officers do it. Valuable middle managers do it. Waitresses that the customers love do it. Coaches and players whose market value exceeds their current compensation do it. The employer's ability to decline to increase compensation is the power on the other side, and that power is greater or lesser, depending on the situation.
Sure, there is an "ethical" element to abiding by the terms of a deal. But it would be naive to assert that the ability to renegotiate in midstream wasn't understood and accepted by both parties at the outset.
Sure, there is an "ethical" element to abiding by the terms of a deal. But it would be naive to assert that the ability to renegotiate in midstream wasn't understood and accepted by both parties at the outset.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:46 pm to Gray Tiger
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It is the fans that shuold make these decisions.
Absolutely NOT.
If you stay on this board for 5 minutes, you will realize that most fans are morons.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:51 pm to Sobchak
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If you stay on this board for 5 minutes, you will realize that most fans are morons.
Indeed, if you look at who holds the levers of power in local, state and federal governments you will realize that most people are morons.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:00 pm to nycajun
I love Miles and wish he would stay, but I say call the bluff, let him go if he thinks he would be better off at Ar-kansas. Don't care how anyone tries to paint this picture, it's extortion, plain and simple. Don't care if the money goes in his pocket, or in that of his assistants. Everyone was giving Kiel shite yesterday about not honoring his commitment to LSU, doesn't the same standard apply to someone currently under contract to LSU, and one who is getting paid handsomely, within insane perks on top of that? Bye.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:03 pm to 777Tiger
Do Y'all believe the 5 years 7 Mil. offer ?
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:05 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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That damned old free market again.
What free market do you know that artificially restricts the amount of quantity supplied without regard to the quantity demanded. Look at the rules on how many coaches a staff can be comprised of. How exactly is that a free market, hombre?
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:21 pm to therick711
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artificially restricts the amount of quantity supplied without regard to the quantity demanded
How is anyone's hand being forced here? LSU's athletic department has increased profits every year that Les has been here. If he were doing anything to breech his contract, and LSU felt they were losing money, he would be fired and his buyout negated. It's a two way street, Hombre.
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