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I understand the skepticism regarding the official accounts of the Liberty incident, but we knew they were about to nix the Egyptian Air Force - the only thing the Liberty was in a position to do was monitor that - we gave them the critical intel to do the operation and were fairly well informed.



That is complete BS, you have no clue about the 67 war, our then relationship with israel, our role or what the Liberty was doing.


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I tend to go with Occam's Razor when I look at something like the Liberty (although I know the crew and families, by and large, do not - and I respect that).



The application of occam's razor doesn't work when you don't know the facts.






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NC_Tigah
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And why should other countries assist Israel in ethnic cleansing of people that do not want to leave their land for the chosen people?
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Because in instances of 1967 and 1973, their thwarted aggression was the sole reason the occupation you find so unpalatable exists?
that makes no sense, but since you don't know jack about the ME that is not surprising.

Palestinians were not aggressors
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you have no clue about the 67 war
Don't know how many more times you'll choose to embarrass yourself in making asinine assessments of others' subject knowledge. e.g., In the exchange above, no one asserted Palestinians were the "aggressors". Palestinians were the victims of Egyptian, Jordanian, Syrian aggression.
I've honestly grown to feel badly for you CT.

Clearly you understand diplomatic fault in the Middle East is spread amongst all parties. Clearly you know entities other than Israel share plenty of blame with Israel for regional problems. Yet your venom is deposited nearly exclusively in one direction. It's bizarre really. You claim great knowledge about the region and its politics, but show limited evidence of it in your ridiculous anti-Israel (and anti-Jesus) posits.






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What they were risking, in terms of long-term US support, versus any short-term gain (and whether it was to blind us or draw us into the conflict on their side, formally, militarily - neither worked so it was a failure if it was not an accident) just makes it unlikely.

If the ship had sunk and there had been no survivors, there would have been nothing to tell. It's not like the Israelis hadn't tried this before. Are you familiar with the Lavon Affair? More recently, Israelis have tried to recruit terrorists to attack Iran while posing as CIA agents and they've also been caught stealing the idenities of folks from European countries to carry out assassinations in the Mideast.
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I tend to go with Occam's Razor when I look at something like the Liberty (although I know the crew and families, by and large, do not - and I respect that).

Not only did the eyewitnesses not buy the mistaken identity story but neither did the Secretary of State Dean Rusk nor the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Thomas Moorer .
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In any event, Israel should not be regarded as the aggressors in 1967.

Maybe not with respect to Egypt, but they were definitely the aggressors with respect to Jordan, Syria and the U.S.






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but they were definitely the aggressors with respect to Jordan, Syria
What are you talking about?

Jordan and Syria were not aggressors?
Seriously?
A nation amassing its entire army on a neighbor's border is not aggression? A nation crafting imminent plans of attack on that neighbor's territory and disseminating those plans to its military's high command is not aggression?

In Jordan's case, even after its forces initiated attacks against Israel, Israel sent a communique to King Hussein forgiving the initial assault and informing him Israel had no intent of conflict with Jordan. All he need do is simply have his forces stand down.

Let's repeat . . . . even after Jordan's forces initiated the attack against Israel.
One more time . . . . even after Jordan's forces initiated the attack against Israel.
Let's repeat again . . . . even after Jordan's forces initiated the attack against Israel.

Hussein's response to Israel's peace offer was a quotation of Julius Caesar, something he'd regret for the rest of his life. "The die has been cast." Jordan resumed its assault. Israel responded. The rest is history.

In the north, though the run up to war was convoluted, Syria likewise initiated attacks under the false pretext that Egypt had defeated Israeli forces in the south. Israel responded. The rest is history. Probably should not have mattered as Syria with background USSR incensing was largely responsible for the war occurring in the first place.






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A nation amassing its entire army on a neighbor's border is not aggression? A nation crafting imminent plans of attack on that neighbor's territory and disseminating those plans to its military's high command is not aggression?


Dude, give it up.

With guys like CT and Trackfan, the only way those evil Joooos won't be the aggressor is if they let the Arabs achieve their stated purpose and drive them into the sea.

At that point, CT and Trackfan will just shrug their shoulders and say: "Oh well...looks like I was wrong. Que sera."






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With guys like CT and Trackfan
I'm still not certain as to whether they're duplicitous or delusional. Considering the knowledge both bring on the topic, my guess tends toward duplicity.






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We can also trace our family roots to King David's time. Do you guys know how many CHRISTIAN CHURCHS have been built in Israel since 1948?

Two.



200% more Churches built than Synagogues built in 5 countries.
But who's counting.






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Geauxrilla Ballz
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200% more Churches built than Synagogues built in 5 countries. But who's counting.


Wait a minute, we are talking about Israel.

Americans (Christian nation, right?) and right wing Christians support and funnel money into the security of Israel, but have nothing to say about the way it spits on Christians and Christianity?

That's a very strong point.

Discussing the treatment of Jews in Middle Eastern countries is an entirely different topic for another thread, and I share your disgust.






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I'm still not certain as to whether they're duplicitous or delusional. Considering the knowledge both bring on the topic, my guess tends toward duplicity.

According to this board, the entire world except for the U.S. is delusional with respect the Israel/Palestine conflict. Do you have any idea how many times the U.S. has been on the short end of 14 to 1 votes in the U.N. Security Council and 160+ to 4 votes (U.S., Israel, Micronesia, Marshall Islands) in the General Assembly?






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Back to the question - what would YOU do if your property was stolen, your family members murdered, and rights stripped.
Most in this thread would rush to their TVs to find out what their next thought is going to be.






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Discussing the treatment of Jews in Middle Eastern countries is an entirely different topic for another thread, and I share your disgust.


And people shouldn't be drawing moral equivalencies - wrong is wrong.

In this case, the Palestinians have been wronged by the Israelis, by the US, by the UN, by their Arab brothers - really everybody. Israel has been wronged by their Arab neighbors, by Palestinian militants - really by everybody except the US.

Remember what I said about having more in common than you would think? If Israelis and Palestinians could get along for a few years, they could probably produce a model state. Again - it is in the interest of too many outsiders for them not to so do - outsiders with money, influence and weapons. Although a complex problem, the answer of why it continues, now approaching a 3rd generation (and that's just this, post-WWII conflict) is not much more complicated than that.






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there's a reason no arab country would take in the "palestinian" refugees from the 6 day war.
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Fact is hundreds of thousands of them are in other countries. And why should other countries assist Israel in ethnic cleansing of people that do not want to leave their land for the chosen people?


The rest of the Arabs could give a shite about the Palestinians unless it props up their political agenda against Isreal.

To the victors go the spoils. The US and Europe helped establish Isreal because we won the fricking war. Im sure the Arabs would be much more comfortable under Nazi rule.

Palestinians are a bunch of goat herders anyway. How much fricking land do they need. Its not like there are a bunch of successfull business' there.

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CarrolltonTiger


Im starting to think you were abused (sexually) by a Rabbi as a youngster. Just get it out, you'll feel better.






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In this case, the Palestinians have been wronged by the Israelis, by the US, by the UN, by their Arab brothers - really everybody. Israel has been wronged by their Arab neighbors, by Palestinian militants - really by everybody except the US.

And it was Germany who is ultimately responsible for both their suffering. Shouldn't this whole Mideast headache be their responsibility and not ours?






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And it was Germany who is ultimately responsible for both their suffering. Shouldn't this whole Mideast headache be their responsibility and not ours?



We cannot undo what has been done - I'm sorry, man. Driving the Israelis into the sea just isn't an option.

You want me to say it is f*cked up for the Palestinians? It's f*cked up for the Palestinians. Renouncing violence and working with Israel, instead of being in this perpetual state of war seems to be the best option.

Hamas seems to be choosing Option B. Okay, but don't cry when that goes badly (and it will continue to go badly for awhile, yet.)







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~5 or less Israelis killed.. close to 200 civilians killed by Israel. Interesting.

I wish the cease fire wasn't in action.. the more civilians Israel kills.. the more the world will hate them. If a few civilians have to die to spark an outrage that (I hope) ultimately brings down the zionist regime.. well worth it.



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If a few civilians have to die to spark an outrage that (I hope) ultimately brings down the zionist regime.. well worth it.
What would you hope for that outcome to look like?






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trackfan
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We cannot undo what has been done - I'm sorry, man. Driving the Israelis into the sea just isn't an option. You want me to say it is f*cked up for the Palestinians? It's f*cked up for the Palestinians. Renouncing violence and working with Israel, instead of being in this perpetual state of war seems to be the best option. Hamas seems to be choosing Option B. Okay, but don't cry when that goes badly (and it will continue to go badly for awhile, yet.)

But it wouldn't matter if there were no Hamas, Netanyahu is a rejectionist who still hasn't given up on his dream of Greater Israel. Even Bill Clinton figured that out, and Yitzhak Rabin isn't walking through that door.




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trackfan





YES! YES! ISRAEL WANTS TO BE THE NEXT SOVIET EMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!







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YES! YES! ISRAEL WANTS TO BE THE NEXT SOVIET EMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you paid attention, this wouldn't be news to you. James Baker addressed the issue head on at the 1989 AIPAC convention.






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