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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:29 pm to
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:29 pm to


Yeah, they could've introduced Coldhands or Lady Stoneheart but nope, gotta have Dany be the Messiah of Slaver's Bay.

I am starting to worry that the show writers are starting to get away from the fantasy aspects, which has me concerned.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 7:30 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:38 pm to
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Yeah, they could've introduced Coldhands or Lady Stoneheart but nope, gotta have Dany be the Messiah of Slaver's Bay.



They should have sped up Dany's story and had her's end at Episode 8.

I think we'll still get Coldhands and Lady Stoneheart next season. I'm actually happy they didn't end it with Stoneheart since we need quite a time away from her for that scene to be effective.

I also don't think they showed all those damn crows chasing Sam for no reason. I'm guessing that Coldhands is merely going to follow Bran and co. for a while, and then when they're in mortal danger sometime next season, he'll save them. It may be a good decision to delay Coldhands.

And man did I want the season to end with Joffrey choking though. Instead it was just mediocre.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:41 pm to
It was very mediocre, and not just because it was the episode that followed the Red Wedding. I really enjoyed/was surprised to see Maester Aemon back, and liked that they set up Stannis going to the Wall next season.

In my opinion, Dany's storyline needs to take a step back next season to everything else that is going to happen. Like show her maybe 5 episodes like they did with Theon/Reek. No need to show that bitch in every episode. She was in 8 out of 10 episodes this season I think, which was probably 2 episodes too many. If they are going to untangle Martin's Mereneese crap plot, they shouldn't feel the need to show her every episode. I think they need to show more of the stuff that is going to happen at the Wall and King's Landing story, especially with Oberyn.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 7:44 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:45 pm to
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and liked that they set up Stannis going to the Wall next season.



I think that may have been better to start off the season with.

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In my opinion, Dany's storyline needs to take a step back next season to everything else that is going to happen. Like show her maybe 5 episodes like they did with Theon/Reek. No need to show that bitch in every episode. She was in 8 out of 10 episodes this season I think, which was probably 2 episodes too many.



Agreed.

And what the hell was up with NOT killing Balon. Thought without any reasonable doubt that would happen in this episode. Seriously, what are they doing with Asha? I thought for sure they'd bump up the King's/Queen's Moot arc to Season 4, but instead she's going to be knowing God knows what.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:46 pm to
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No need to show that bitch in every episode. She was in 8 out of 10 episodes this season I think, which was probably 2 episodes too many.


not happening. she's the most recognizable character and biggest money maker
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 7:59 pm to
So what are yall's opinions on where they're taking next season:

1) Jon and Sam- Battle of Castle Black, Siege of the Wall, and electing Lord Commander (I think this will really be Jon's season to shine).
2) Tyrion- Purple Wedding, Oberyn's Trial by combat, murdering Tywin, end it by Tyrion leaving Pentos to meet with Dany.
3) Sansa- Same as the books
4) Arya- Some plot dealing with being hunted down by Freys and Boltons in the Riverlands, and Arya will kill Locke instead who now has Needle, Arya leaves the Hound behind and departs for Braavos
5) Dany- Takes over Meereen and dismisses Jorah once Barristan let spill on what he'd done.
6) Theon- Hunted down with another whore, and at the end of the season Theon takes back Moat Caitlin.
7) Cersei and Jaime- After the wedding, Jaime sends Brienne out to find Sansa. After Tywin's death Cersei burns down the Tower of the Hand with Jaime looking on in horror.
8) Davos- Goes to White Harbor and Manderly gives him his task.
9) Asha..... I was sure it was going to be the Queen's Moat, but now I don't have a clue.
10) Brienne- I would say facing down Shagwell, but don't think that's going to happen since they didn't develop any of the rest of Locke's men. I'm really unsure at the moment.
11) Bran- Meets The Three Eyed Crow
12) Lady Stoneheart- She's mentioned often as an even more ruthless woman that Lord Beric has taken as a wife and is going off murdering Frey, Lannister, and Bolton men by the dozens. It's not revealed until the end of the season who she is, and will be the scene right after Cersei burns the Tower of the Hand.
Posted by auyushu
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:00 pm to
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Anyone have a good reading list for something other than ASOIAF? I'll probably get my re-read in before TWOW comes out, but right now I'm looking for something different.



Here is a suggestion list I gave to someone in here a bit ago (TLDR edition):

The guy I'd probably recommend most for a fan of Martin would be Joe Abercrombie. He writes a very low magic fantasy series that's very gritty and dark and realistic. Similar to Martin in that there is magic but it's a bit in the background. The main difference between Abercrombie and Martin would be that there are no true good guys at all really in his books, just straight up grey characters for the most part. Abercrombie has a starting trilogy (First Law trilogy) and then three stand alone novels set in the same world with many similar characters showing up in those novels. And he's putting them out regularly at 1 1/2 to 2 years.

There are a couple of guys out named Scott Lynch and Pat Rothfuss that have really good series, but are only on 2 books so far, so you could wind up waiting like you are with Martin for a while. Scott Lynch's The Lies of Locke Lamora I would suggest reading by itself regardless though, it's probably the second best fantasy novel I've read behind Storm of Swords in the past 20 years or so. But Lynch got divorced and had a semi-mental breakdown after he wrote the second book of that series, so the third has been a while in coming. Rothfuss has two books, The Name of the Wind and The Wise Mans Fear that are both very good, but he took like 4 years to write his second book, so who the hell knows how long he'll take for the third of his first trilogy.

Steven Erikson is a guy that I like a lot, he has a finished 10 book series called Malazan Books of the Fallen. These are huge 1000 page books on the lines of ASOIAF. They are fairly dark and gritty, and main characters get killed off on a regular basis kinda like ASOIAF, though unlike ASOIAF it has a ton of magic in the series. He probably has the most in depth and rich world of any series I've read. First book can be a bit difficult to jump into because he just throws you right into the action and piecemeals out the backstory, but it's worth the read. Large amounts of magic and Red Viper style bad asses in this series.

One other guy is Jim Butcher. His Dresden Files series is one of my favorites, though it isn't straight fantasy, it’s more of an urban fantasy. Basically a wizard detective in modern day Chicago where Vampires, Werewolves, Fairies, and all the other magic creatures are real. First couple books are average, but then it kicks into gear and becomes an awesome series, 14 books so far and one each year to year and a half. These are short reads as well, only 400-500 pages so you can zip through the series. Best description I can think of would be if Harry Potter was raised with Voldemort as his adopted father, then wound up finding out Voldy was evil and managed to kill him, then grew up to become a badass wizard detective with a similar personality to Bruce Willis in Die Hard. These are fun reads with lots of great side characters and an outstanding main character.


This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 8:01 pm
Posted by ColaTiger
Louisiana
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:00 pm to
All it took was a little common sense to know the PW was not happening this season. There are these limitations, you see, both narratively and financially.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:01 pm to
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There are these limitations, you see, both narratively and financially.



Mainly being they didn't cast a bunch of characters that needed to be there for the wedding.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:01 pm to
I agree they aren't likely to cut back on Danny's plot. She's a fan favorite and pretty much one of the central characters of the series. And on top of that she brings the sex appeal big time. Especially now that they've introduced Dario to give her opportunities to steam things up.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:03 pm to
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All it took was a little common sense to know the PW was not happening this season. There are these limitations, you see, both narratively and financially.


The thing that probably tricked a lot of people was reports that they had filmed three weddings this season.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:05 pm to
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Mainly being they didn't cast a bunch of characters that needed to be there for the wedding.



They could bring Mace in with some random non-major actor. Mace isn't that important really compared to his mother, daughter, and son to the grand scheme in GoT. I did kinda relent though when I saw him on the casting sheet for next season though, knowing there was now no way that happened.

Oberyn and the Dornish aren't exactly essential to the events of the Purple Wedding. It just felt with the pacing that they were completely building up to the Purple Wedding.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:09 pm to
Welcome back from purgatory OM. I agree with most of your thoughts, except a few:

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4) Arya- Some plot dealing with being hunted down by Freys and Boltons in the Riverlands, and Arya will kill Locke instead who now has Needle, Arya leaves the Hound behind and departs for Braavos


As far as I know Polliver still has Needle, so they'll likely meet him and some other Lannister toadies in an inn just like the book. Her kill this season was just a movement of her original throat slitting that should have happened in season 2, right down to the dropping of the coin to put the throat in range.

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8) Davos- Goes to White Harbor and Manderly gives him his task.


I doubt he gets there until season 5, it would mean he would disappear for an entire season, and I don't see that happening. Stannis probably won't show up at the Wall till the last third of season 4 anyway, not really a need for Davos solo action next season.

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11) Bran- Meets The Three Eyed Crow


I think they will show him travel a bit and introduce Coldhands, but doubt he'll meet TEC, maybe as a season ender though.

Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:11 pm to
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Oberyn and the Dornish aren't exactly essential to the events of the Purple Wedding. It just felt with the pacing that they were completely building up to the Purple Wedding.




They aren't essential to the PW persay, but it would have really screwed up the narrative to not have them there. They would have had to work twice as hard to make the story fit later without them there, and it wouldn't be smooth.
Posted by 19
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:12 pm to
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Nawww....Welcome back, brah.

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But dats ok, I got mind control over Hodors. They be like, "STFU, reader. "
And I STFU. But whennay leave...I be talkin again.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:16 pm to
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As far as I know Polliver still has Needle, so they'll likely meet him and some other Lannister toadies in an inn just like the book. Her kill this season was just a movement of her original throat slitting that should have happened in season 2, right down to the dropping of the coin to put the throat in range.



I'd say it will be a mix of Lannister and Bolton toadies in the end. I honestly couldn't tell you what Polliver looked like on the show and I don't even remember him being in it. People will remember the dude who cut off Jaime's hand. Maybe have Arya and the Hound have some sort of run in with him early on in the season, and then a final confrontation at the Inn.

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I doubt he gets there until season 5, it would mean he would disappear for an entire season, and I don't see that happening. Stannis probably won't show up at the Wall till the last third of season 4 anyway, not really a need for Davos solo action next season.



Actually, I think they're about to start spoiling some shite if Martin doesn't get on the ball. I'd say Season 5 will be some stuff we haven't seen that Davos has been up to.

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I think they will show him travel a bit and introduce Coldhands, but doubt he'll meet TEC, maybe as a season ender though.



That's what I'm thinking. If I had to bet the final scenes of the season:

1) Arya paying passage to Braavos
2) Tyrion leaves Pentos with Varys (they're not going to put him on hold for two seasons, and instead just have him cross the Narrow Sea with Aegon and Jon Connington, and still kill Kevan and Pycelle as he did in the books)
3) Lysa being thrown out the Moon Door by Littlefinger
4) Jon elected Lord Commander
5) Bran meeting the Three Eyed Crow for the first time.
6) Tywin's funeral and burning down the Tower of the Hand
7) Merrett Frey cornered by BwB and Lady Stoneheart revealed.

Seriously, what an epic finale that would be and really kick the shite out of Season 3's.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 8:41 pm
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:25 pm to
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1) Jon and Sam- Battle of Castle Black, Siege of the Wall, and electing Lord Commander (I think this will really be Jon's season to shine).

Definitely agree that Jon's story will become significantly more important, just like it did in the books. Jon is one of my favorite characters and doesn't deserve the hate that some of the book readers and show watchers give him.

I don't want y'all to think I despise Dany or anything, but I just don't understand the love for her like all the other fans have for her. Yeah, she has cool arse dragons, but has yet to act on anything she's promised, really. I think their fantasies of her taking over Westeros next season will come crumbling down though.

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3) Sansa- Same as the books

Holy shite the Sansa Littlefinger plot and the Moon Door...can't wait.

Do y'all think that'll be in episode 9 or 10?

Also, the show hasn't shown The Mountain since when? Harenhaal in season 2?

I think Episode 9 next season will be the Oberyn vs. Mountain showdown, Lysa out the Moon Door, Jon being elected as Lord Commander (maybe it'll happen episode 10 though), and Lady Stoneheart will be shown in episode 9 or 10.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 8:26 pm
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
8585 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:37 pm to
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I'd say it will be a mix of Lannister and Bolton toadies in the end. I honestly couldn't tell you what Polliver looked like on the show and I don't even remember him being in it. People will remember the dude who cut off Jaime's hand. Maybe have Arya and the Hound have some sort of run in with him early on in the season, and then a final confrontation at the Inn.



Polliver killed Lommy Greenhands in the show, and stuck Needle in his belt. That's about all I remember from him. But I think it's safe to say they'll give Needle back to Arya somehow, and killing a guy who killed one of her friends is a good motivator. People may remember Locke as the dude who cuts off Jaime's hand, but I just don't see a good tie in with Arya and the Hound there.

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Actually, I think they're about to start spoiling some shite if Martin doesn't get on the ball. I'd say Season 5 will be some stuff we haven't seen that Davos has been up to.


Eh, they have zero reason to jump past the books when they have two full books of material to work with, not really seeing it happen. It's not like Davos is a major character anyway, he can disappear for an entire season almost just like Asha/Yara did in season 3. They could have Davos show up on the Fingers, then have him show up in White Harbor three-four times in season 5 with the initial meeting, then more dungeon action, then real meeting with Manderly, then him sailing off to Skagos.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
8585 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:40 pm to
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I don't want y'all to think I despise Dany or anything, but I just don't understand the love for her like all the other fans have for her. Yeah, she has cool arse dragons, but has yet to act on anything she's promised, really. I think their fantasies of her taking over Westeros next season will come crumbling down though.


Pretty much sums up most readers' feelings for Dany after ADWD really I think. She's pretty awesome in ASOS, but other than that, meh. I found ADWD to be a much more enjoyable book on reread when I just skipped every Mereen chapter that wasn't a Barristan POV.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:41 pm to
The anticipation for Season 4 is killing me. I really need some new shows to watch in the meantime. I have yet to watch episode 1 of this new season of True Blood because the show is such crap anymore and my FX shows I watch are on October-May.
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