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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:44 pm to auyushu
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:44 pm to auyushu
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Polliver killed Lommy Greenhands in the show, and stuck Needle in his belt. That's about all I remember from him. But I think it's safe to say they'll give Needle back to Arya somehow, and killing a guy who killed one of her friends is a good motivator. People may remember Locke as the dude who cuts off Jaime's hand, but I just don't see a good tie in with Arya and the Hound there.
Honestly, I would have had Bolton recognize the Hound and Arya and made that the plot for her being hunted down in the Riverlands. I just think that a whole season of Arya and the Hound murdering Freys would be great.
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Eh, they have zero reason to jump past the books when they have two full books of material to work with, not really seeing it happen. It's not like Davos is a major character anyway, he can disappear for an entire season almost just like Asha/Yara did in season 3. They could have Davos show up on the Fingers, then have him show up in White Harbor three-four times in season 5 with the initial meeting, then more dungeon action, then real meeting with Manderly, then him sailing off to Skagos.
More the reason I'm doing it really is speeding up Theon's arc. I think Season 5 will deal largely with Theon in Winterfell, and you need Manderly there for that. Moat Cailin seems like a logical place to end Theon's arc in the 4th season, so 5th will be being intercepted by Stannis.
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:46 pm to OMLandshark
I think major things of the next season will be:
- introduction of Red Viper & company.
- hopefully some scene to establish the Mountain as a force.
- battle of Castle Black.
- Danny/Dario stuff, with Jorah pining away. Maybe the Sewer scene. Jorah getting banished maybe.
- Arya and Hound being bad asses and continuing to half respect and half hate each other.
- Purple Wedding.
- Tyrion trial
- Red Viper/Mountain fight.
- Wildling attack on the Wall
- Lady Stoneheart to some extent.
- introduction of Red Viper & company.
- hopefully some scene to establish the Mountain as a force.
- battle of Castle Black.
- Danny/Dario stuff, with Jorah pining away. Maybe the Sewer scene. Jorah getting banished maybe.
- Arya and Hound being bad asses and continuing to half respect and half hate each other.
- Purple Wedding.
- Tyrion trial
- Red Viper/Mountain fight.
- Wildling attack on the Wall
- Lady Stoneheart to some extent.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:47 pm to ladytiger118
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Also, the show hasn't shown The Mountain since when? Harenhaal in season 2?
Yeah, which actually makes me think the duel between him and Oberyn will be underwhelming.
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I think Episode 9 next season will be the Oberyn vs. Mountain showdown, Lysa out the Moon Door, Jon being elected as Lord Commander (maybe it'll happen episode 10 though), and Lady Stoneheart will be shown in episode 9 or 10.
I don't think it will take that long. I'd imagine Oberyn vs the Mountain would be episode 7. I think they're going to establish Cersei taking over at the end of the season and the end of the era of Tywin. I think they'll kill Tywin in Episode 8, in episode 9 have Cersei and Jaime deal with the aftermath of Tywin's death and of Tyrion talking with Illyrio and Varys about dragons, and have episode 10 with Tyrion leave Pentos and have Tywin's funeral with it ending with her burning down the Tower of the Hand.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:49 pm to ladytiger118
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The anticipation for Season 4 is killing me. I really need some new shows to watch in the meantime. I have yet to watch episode 1 of this new season of True Blood because the show is such crap anymore and my FX shows I watch are on October-May.
Yeah, know the feeling. I didn't bother with this season of True Blood last night since it's so garbage now. I mean, it was never very good, but it least used to be good pulpy/guilty pleasure fun.
And we are still a bit away from Breaking Bad and Boardwalk Empire coming back, Justified and Archer aren't on atm.
You might check out Continuum, it's pretty good, and it's in the middle of it's second season right now.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 8:55 pm to OMLandshark
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More the reason I'm doing it really is speeding up Theon's arc. I think Season 5 will deal largely with Theon in Winterfell, and you need Manderly there for that. Moat Cailin seems like a logical place to end Theon's arc in the 4th season, so 5th will be being intercepted by Stannis.
Yeah, but like I said, no real reason for Davos to have to be shown in the second half of the season. On top of that, they won't be moving the Winterfell parts up too much simply because they will be doing the Kingsmoot with Asha. It's pretty obvious from the "I'm going to save my brother" plotline they introduced that the Kingsmoot won't be happening anytime soon, and given how the show likes to save money on hiring new actors I wouldn't be surprised if the other Greyjoys aren't hired till season 5 and the moot doesn't happen until the beginning of season 5. So Asha will have to move into position to be captured by Stannis before much of the Winterfell action happens. So it'll take 3-4 episodes of setup to get there anyway at least.
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Yeah, which actually makes me think the duel between him and Oberyn will be underwhelming.
Yeah, they desperately need to do something to reintroduce the Mountain in the next season, and make him a badass. And hopefully recast him, as that skinny European center looking guy wouldn't scare anyone.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:01 pm to auyushu
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So Asha will have to move into position to be captured by Stannis before much of the Winterfell action happens.
Haven't thought about this. Leaves open a plot line I hadn't considered.
But still, they just killed 3 main cast members. I could see them paying a leg for the Red Viper, but that's really the only cast member I think they'd go all out for next season. Who else is introduced besides the Red Viper, his Paramour, and Mace Tyrell? I wouldn't imagine Euron, Victarion, and Aeron to be that expensive of cast members since they're not going to be around THAT much. I'd just establish that at the end of the King's Moot that Euron will send Victarion to Dany, and then not see him or the rest of the Iron Born (save Asha and Theon) for at least a season. Don't see why any of Victarion's chapters are all that important.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:04 pm to auyushu
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Yeah, they desperately need to do something to reintroduce the Mountain in the next season, and make him a badass. And hopefully recast him, as that skinny European center looking guy wouldn't scare anyone.
The older guy who played the Mountain is done with the Hobbit by now isn't he? Surely he could come back, since that's kinda similar to how I picture him in the books.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:07 pm to OMLandshark
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I wouldn't imagine Euron, Victarion, and Aeron to be that expensive of cast members since they're not going to be around THAT much. I'd just establish that at the end of the King's Moot that Euron will send Victarion to Dany, and then not see him or the rest of the Iron Born (save Asha and Theon) for at least a season. Don't see why any of Victarion's chapters are all that important.
Heh, I agree with you on cost, but name me one important person they've cast and did this with so far. The only person was Dondarrion, and they just used some schmoe in season 1 and recast him later. They don't cast new people until they have to, and particularly not when they would only be in one or two episodes, so I don't see the moot happening till the following season.
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Who else is introduced besides the Red Viper, his Paramour, and Mace Tyrell?
Maybe Val too, and possibly Sam's dad. The Magnar is going to be cast as well, that has been announced.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:09 pm to OMLandshark
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The older guy who played the Mountain is done with the Hobbit by now isn't he? Surely he could come back, since that's kinda similar to how I picture him in the books.
Yeah, be nice if they could get Conan Stevens back to play him again.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:15 pm to auyushu
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Heh, I agree with you on cost, but name me one important person they've cast and did this with so far. The only person was Dondarrion, and they just used some schmoe in season 1 and recast him later. They don't cast new people until they have to, and particularly not when they would only be in one or two episodes, so I don't see the moot happening till the following season.
Yeah, but it seems like the perfect time to cast them. The next season they have to cast Aegon and Jon Connington (I'd imagine as regulars), the High Septon, Val, Randyll Tarly, Quentyn, Manderly, The Three Eyed Crow, the Kindly Man (I'd rather just replace him with Jaquen), a few people in the Vale, and maybe the other Dornish like Doran and Arrianne. I'd say just get them out of the way.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:17 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah, but it seems like the perfect time to cast them.
Well, they'll have a few more dead characters to replace by then as well.
And having more characters to cast would probably make it more prudent for them to put off paying for more characters before they have to.
Also, they can't really replace the Kindly man with Jaquen since he will be in Oldtown.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:19 pm to auyushu
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Also, they can't really replace the Kindly man with Jaquen since he will be in Oldtown.
If I had to bet, they'll remove that on the show.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:23 pm to OMLandshark
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If I had to bet, they'll remove that on the show.
That would entirely depend on what happens with Sam going forward, and if Jaquen plays a role I guess. I guess we'll find out. Personally it would be pretty dumb for an assassin trainer/head priest to be randomly going off to Westeros to do things for years at a time, so if Jaquen was the kindly man I'd have to roll my eyes quite a bit.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:25 pm to auyushu
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That would entirely depend on what happens with Sam going forward, and if Jaquen plays a role I guess. I guess we'll find out. Personally it would be pretty dumb for an assassin trainer/head priest to be randomly going off to Westeros to do things for years at a time, so if Jaquen was the kindly man I'd have to roll my eyes quite a bit.
If need be, they could establish another Faceless Man is at the Citadel. I think HBO will actually encourage it though, and I'm not sure if it's a change I'd mind so much since I don't really care for the Kindly Man.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:45 pm to OMLandshark
Oh yeah, they need to cast Randyl Tarly. Forgot about him.
As for Val, is she not gonna be in the show until season 5? Or could she appear next season?
As for Val, is she not gonna be in the show until season 5? Or could she appear next season?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:53 pm to ladytiger118
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As for Val, is she not gonna be in the show until season 5? Or could she appear next season?
Depends on how they work the whole Mance's kid thing I guess. She could easily be pushed back though, wouldn't surprise me at all.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:55 pm to OMLandshark
I did read some speculations to whether they would conflate the Euron and Victorion characters.
With Asha going off to try and rescue or avenge Theon,I think they could really streamline the Kingsmoot stuff without missing much of a beat. Maybe just a Vic/Euron coup with Damphair trying to advocate for Asha unsucessfully. (was it Damphair they showed "baptizing" Theon?)
With Asha going off to try and rescue or avenge Theon,I think they could really streamline the Kingsmoot stuff without missing much of a beat. Maybe just a Vic/Euron coup with Damphair trying to advocate for Asha unsucessfully. (was it Damphair they showed "baptizing" Theon?)
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:58 pm to auyushu
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Impact doing what? Running around killing folks? That's not an impact given the amount of pages spent on the character. And that would beyond hokey and lame if Jon was around the rest of the series as a wolf. It would be tremendously unoriginal and quite frankly insulting.
I have zero issues with Jon going out during the later books when the shite actually goes down or even before, but wasting thousands of pages on character, not to mention the mystery of his backstory would just be absurd.
Again I don't see it happening. I only like it (in a way) because I think that it would piss a lot of people off. Your reaction is an example of that.
Anyway, he would have impact as eyes and body in communication with Bran. He would be an actor for Bran. In this role he would be pretty minor going forward. Maybe a couple of important moments.
I don't get the "unoriginal" critique. When has this been done before? It seems rather against the grain to remove a favorite character. It is also something of a signature of Martin. Yes, it would piss people off, but that's kind of the point of this scenario.
And yes it would be absurd. Life is absurd. People die right before would be great moments. Absurd endings aren't satisfying, but they seem more real. It is far less predictable and formulaic. The often thought of savior dies or plays out the role as savior in an unpredicted way.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:15 pm to Peazey
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I don't get the "unoriginal" critique. When has this been done before? It seems rather against the grain to remove a favorite character. It is also something of a signature of Martin. Yes, it would piss people off, but that's kind of the point of this scenario.
This exact thing was done with a main character in two trilogies of Robin Hobb (who is a pretty big fantasy author, particularly in the late 90s/early 2000s when ASOIAF was getting going) books that started coming out a couple years before A Game of Thrones the novel. And by exact thing I mean the exact thing, with the main character in question dying and having his consciousness pass into a wolf he warged into for a time. And warging is not exactly original in fantasy in and of itself. Hence I'm saying it's pretty unoriginal.
And if you think taking out a popular main character is rare, you simply need to read more books. This has happened in a quite a number of books. The invincible farmboy hero in fantasy went out of style over a decade ago. Martin was a large reason for that happening, but he's written so damn slow that a large number of fantasy authors have finished entire series where main characters die unexpectedly like you mention since Martin started ASOIAF.
There would be nothing edgy or original about Martin doing this with Jon. And the absurdity of the death wouldn't piss me off in the slightest, it would piss me off because he wasted my fricking time with the character for the last 15+ years.
Such a death would be effective if it is like Ned or the Red Wedding where it makes an emotional impact. The way Jon died and how it went down would just leave people shaking their heads, pissed not because of the writing but because of the timing. As such it would be pathetic and terrible writing.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 6/18/13 at 9:21 am to auyushu
Agreed. I think Mel is going to try resurrecting Jon. Why would the show writers put in the scene of Mel meeting Beric and Thoros for nothing? I think it has a lot of significance towards what she's going to do for Jon.
Also, none of Martin's POV characters who 'die' in their own chapters actually die. Cat technically died in her own POV but was brought back to life. Makes me think the same will happen with Jon.
Also, none of Martin's POV characters who 'die' in their own chapters actually die. Cat technically died in her own POV but was brought back to life. Makes me think the same will happen with Jon.
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