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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:03 pm to kingbob
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:03 pm to kingbob
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The only way Jon is not the product of Lyanna and Rheagar is that J.R.R. Martin reads message boards. Martin becomes upset that so many people on the internet figured out this mystery so soon, so he changes it at the last minute just to f*&k with us.
I agree with you and that has been a fear of mine. However, I'm hoping that Martin sticks to what he has said before and keeps the story as it has been set up since the first book.
Let's put the fact that R+L = J into the "pro" column should Martin kick the bucket before finishing the series. Figure if he dies then whoever finishes the series will certainly maintain the plans for Jon's parentage.
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Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:04 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Are you still trying to argue that Jon is Benjen's son?
it makes more sense than some noble stark lets her entire family be killed and whole war break out because she falls in love with some inbreeding bad swordsman.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:04 pm to kingbob
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Also, as for the doom of Valyria, I think that it was some sort of natural disaster involving volcanoes (think Pompeii
Yeah I think this is pretty well accepted.
Valyria is essentially Martin's Atlantis. An advanced civilization that got swallowed by the sea after a catastrophe.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:09 pm to Iona Fan Man
Well, Rheagar was kinda described as the best at everything. Every chick in Westeros wanted his dick. However, Lyanna Stark dressing up as a mystery knight and besting Rheagar in a joust was enough to get him to fall for her. She loved him. I really doubt she expected Aegon to go psycho and light her dad on fire and I really doubt she thought Robert would rebel against the kingdom just to win her back.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:09 pm to Iona Fan Man
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How can some noble women hide a pregnancy?
They hide in a tower for the duration of that pregnancy, which is what happened. Only Ned, Rhaegar, and 3 members of the Kingsguard knew about it (all of which are dead), so it was a pretty well kept secret.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:12 pm to Iona Fan Man
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it makes more sense than some noble stark lets her entire family be killed and whole war break out because she falls in love with some inbreeding bad swordsman.
(a) No, it doesn't,
(b) She didn't let anything happen. Her brother and father died as a result of Mad King Arys' paranoia,
(c) the war broke out because Robert Baratheon went apeshit after Lyanna chose Rhaegar (which has its roots in Rhaegar picking Lyanna as the most beautiful woman at a tournament he won), and
(d) Rhaegar also happened to be the second most powerful man in Westeros behind his father, apparently one of the best looking men of the time, skilled with words and at wooing women, and one of the best warriors in the realm. It is not hard to imagine Lyanna falling in love with Rhaegar.
Moreover, more wars have been fought over the affections of a woman than we know. Hell, the Illiad is based on the same notion. Additionally, if Lyanna had come out of hiding and announced she had eloped with Rhaegar and was pregnant with his child, Robert would have started the war anyway as an afront to his honor (think Menelaus). Combine that with the shame that would have been brought on both houses (Stark and Targ) and the worsening mental health of Arys, things likely could have been worse for the realm. I'm failing to see how this doesn't make sense.
Why else did war break out, hmmmmm??? Pray tell.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:14 pm to LoveThatMoney
Back to the CotF......
Whatever happened to Harlan Reed and the rest of their clan?
Harlan was supposed to be some great friend to Ned Stark.
Bran, Ned's son is a greenseer.
Harlan's children arive at Winterfell just in time to get Bran to the CotF where Bran can fulfill his destiny as GS.
Harlan's son also has "the sight".
The Reeds live in some quasi 'Ethereal' swamp town that nobody can locate.
The reeds show up when needed.
There are many uncharted levels deep below Winterfell.
The Starks, Reeds and CotF all seem intertwined.
Conclusion: The Reeds are inter-racial human and CotF products. The Starks have some long-distant inter-racial relations w/ the CotF (maybe through the first men).
We have not seen the last of the Reeds......CotF or Bran.
Others have no place in this. They are NOT linked to CotF.
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Whatever happened to Harlan Reed and the rest of their clan?
Harlan was supposed to be some great friend to Ned Stark.
Bran, Ned's son is a greenseer.
Harlan's children arive at Winterfell just in time to get Bran to the CotF where Bran can fulfill his destiny as GS.
Harlan's son also has "the sight".
The Reeds live in some quasi 'Ethereal' swamp town that nobody can locate.
The reeds show up when needed.
There are many uncharted levels deep below Winterfell.
The Starks, Reeds and CotF all seem intertwined.
Conclusion: The Reeds are inter-racial human and CotF products. The Starks have some long-distant inter-racial relations w/ the CotF (maybe through the first men).
We have not seen the last of the Reeds......CotF or Bran.
Others have no place in this. They are NOT linked to CotF.
There
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:18 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Robert would have started the war anyway as an afront to his honor (
and had hundreds of thousands of men/banner men fight the True King based on that?
she didn't love her husband and child enough to stop all of winterfell from joining forces?
If that's where the writer wants to go, fine, but it's not believable.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:25 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Conclusion: The Reeds are inter-racial human and CotF products. The Starks have some long-distant inter-racial relations w/ the CotF (maybe through the first men).
I can see this. Howland has yet to make an appearance in the books, but many think he will at some point since he is the only one left alive who knows Jon's true origins.
It would make sense that the Reeds and the Starks have some mixed blood in them from way back. The CotF and the First Men, from whom many of the Northern families derive their origins, were at least at some point close.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:26 pm to LoveThatMoney
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LoveThatMoney
on to something else you mentioned
you said the Lannister's turned on the King. Being that we know their character, could the Lannister's have killed Lyanna...knowing that Robert would then need a new bride? Sensa was there, so Daddy Lannister told Jaime to backstab the King, but first went to kill the Ned's sister so that a Lannister would be King.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:27 pm to Iona Fan Man
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and had hundreds of thousands of men/banner men fight the True King based on that?
No, based on Aerys becoming unhinged or based on some other surface reason. And again, it happened in the Illiad.
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she didn't love her husband and child enough to stop all of winterfell from joining forces?
This doesn't make any damn sense. Winterfell is a castle and city in the North.
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If that's where the writer wants to go, fine, but it's not believable.
If you say so.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:31 pm to Iona Fan Man
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and had hundreds of thousands of men/banner men fight the True King based on that?
Yep, there have been similar wars fought before.
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she didn't love her husband and child enough to stop all of winterfell from joining forces?
It would mean the death of her kid, and Rhaegar was already married, so it was a pretty big problem. Plus Jon was prophesied to be The Prince that was Promised, so he would have to defend him.
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If that's where the writer wants to go, fine, but it's not believable.
Read the novels, because you're coming off as just plain dumb. Ned didn't know about the kid until Lyanna was in labor and the war was already over. He had to lie to protect Jon, because Robert would have without question killed Jon. It's rude to delve into a Bastard's origin, so it protected Jon. There were some people during the war that had some close flings with Ned, to where there are suspects on whose mother Jon Snow would be.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:33 pm to Iona Fan Man
You are the worst troll on the Internet.....
You're the 12 yr old screaming racial slurs at people while playing COD. You think you're funny but you just get muted
You're the 12 yr old screaming racial slurs at people while playing COD. You think you're funny but you just get muted
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:34 pm to CottonWasKing
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You are the worst troll on the Internet.....
two for flinching
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:35 pm to Iona Fan Man
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Sensa was there, so Daddy Lannister told Jaime to backstab the King, but first went to kill the Ned's sister so that a Lannister would be King.
Who is Sensa? You mean Cersei?
It's an interesting idea, but I don't think so. How would killing Lyanna have assured Robert would pick a Lannister to wed? Moreover, Jaime would not have been able to kill Lyanna and escape the three kingsguard there.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:37 pm to Iona Fan Man
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you said the Lannister's turned on the King. Being that we know their character, could the Lannister's have killed Lyanna...knowing that Robert would then need a new bride? Sensa was there, so Daddy Lannister told Jaime to backstab the King, but first went to kill the Ned's sister so that a Lannister would be King.
No, because she was surrounded by Kingsguards, Tywin couldn't have known where she was, and Tywin just counted himself fortunate at the time that Jaime survived the siege and that Robert forgave him, his son, and all of his banner men's crimes.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:38 pm to Iona Fan Man
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You are the worst troll on the Internet.....
two for flinching
And there it is.
By the way, Robb and Catelyn are murdered by the Freys this season.
Joffrey is poisoned by his bride's grandmother and dies.
Tyrion kills his father, too.
Enjoy!
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:41 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Who is Sensa? You mean Cersei?
queen chick, yeah
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How would killing Lyanna have assured Robert would pick a Lannister to wed?
you have to join the houses after a take over so that each has a stake in the revolution.
If (according to what TV watchers know), Robert and Ned save the day and Lyanna were alive....she would be queen(baratheon/stark), and the Lannisters are the outsiders with no claim.
being the vile people that we know they are....I wouldn't put it past them to kill Lyanna and give Cersei to Robert....which means that they would have killed the baby if there were a baby in Lyanna's presence....therefore, Jon is Benjen's like I have said all along.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:44 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Enjoy!
Posted on 4/3/13 at 5:48 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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The Reeds are inter-racial human and CotF products. The Starks have some long-distant inter-racial relations w/ the CotF (maybe through the first men).
This seriously blew my fricking mind. I am on board with this til someone proves it wrong.
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