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Fletcher is at it again. This time's victim: Dell Demps?? (shortened.. sorta)
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:13 am
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:13 am
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Here's Fletcher's reasoning on why Dell isn't a good leader.
Here's Fletcher's reasoning on why Dell isn't a good leader.
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Is Dell Demps the right person to lead the Hornets? The answer might just be, no.
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The Bad:
CP3 Trade Failure: Demps first attempt to trade Chris Paul resulted in the league vetoing the deal. It should be noted that the deal Demps brokered would have saddled the Hornets franchise with 3 aging, expensive players (Scola, Martin, Odom) who’d have played just well enough to keep the team in playoff contention…but not poorly enough to land the #1 overall draft pick (or even a top 5 selection). Only when NBA Commissioner David Stern intervened and pushed Demps aside (reportedly Demps nearly resigned when first trade was nixed) did the Hornets get young pieces and draft picks that help them moving forward.
Kaman/Landry Failure: Demps failure to trade Chris Kaman or Carl Landry at the trade deadline hurt the Hornets. Kaman has 0% chance of returning to New Orleans and with Anthony Davis, Jason Smith and Gustavo Ayon it would be foolish for the team to bring back Landry. Despite knowing Kaman and Landry were longshots to return to the rebuilding Hornets Demps failed to move them. When asked about the Hornets failing to make a deal at the NBA trade deadline Demps replied “sometimes the best move you can make is not making a move at all.” When asked to elaborate and explain his answer Demps didn’t have much to say. When Chris Kaman came over in the Chris Paul trade he was called “a trade chip” for the end of the season. I ranted about how sad it was that Demps couldn’t turn Kaman into even a 2nd round draft pick. People told me “2nd round picks in the NBA don’t mean anything.” Really? Last time I checked those same people were saying the Hornets got a steal in the 2nd round of the 2012 draft by selecting Darius Miller (other 2nd round picks of note: Marcus Thornton, Glen Davis, Brandon Bass…and the list goes on and on!). The Hornets need assets and Kaman and Landry could have brought back draft picks for the team. Getting nothing for them is a failure.
Thornton Failure: In the midst of the Hornets 2011 playoff push Demps traded former LSU star and local fan favorite Marcus Thornton to the Sacramento Kings for Carl Landry. While Landry is an amazing teammate and solid player Thornton has emerged as a 18-points-per-game scorer and a key cog in the Kings rebuilding effort. Landry missed a chunk of last season due to injury and went through stretches when he didn’t get off the bench for Monty Williams. The Hornets finished 29th in the league in scoring…think Thornton could have helped alleviate that issue? So, in my opinion, Landry for Thornton looks like a failure. 2012
Free Agency Failure: Demps has done nothing this
offseason. Free agency started and despite having tons of salary cap room to play with Demps has not brought in one key free agent. Teams like Houston (signing Jeremy Lin & Omer Asik), Portland (signing Roy Hibbert) and Minnesota (signing Nic Batum) are doing their best to find top level talent. The Hornets seem dead-set on matching the Suns offer to Eric Gordon and hoping that he eventually warms up to the Hornets franchise. One of my favorite sayings is “hope is not a plan!” Dell needs to realize this. Dell should have brought in Jeremy Lin, Nic Batum, Goran Dragic, Omer Asik, Brook Lopez, Ryan Anderson, Ersan Ilysova…all young, quality players who cost less than Gordon and who may embrace playing with Anthony Davis and building something special in New Orleans.
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Basically, Gordon isn’t good enough to act like he’s acting…but if Dell Demps allows himself and his organization to be played by an immature primadonna…than maybe he’s not good enough to be an NBA GM.
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So now the questions are: 1. Did Dell fail the team by not catering to Gordon? 2. Did Dell fail the team by believing in a guy that everyone said didn’t want to be in New Orleans and would do anything to get out of here? Neither answer is good. Even worse question is: 1. Does Dell believe that matching the Phoenix Suns offer and forcing Gordon back will work? A malcontent around a rebuilding team and the best prospect to enter the league since LeBron (Davis)…the Hornets under Dell could quickly replace the Minnesota Timberwolves under David Kahn as the most comically inept franchise in the NBA.
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PS: For the sake of being fair, I do think Dell has made two good moves since taking over the Hornets. Trading Darren Collison and dumping James Posey’s bad contract for Trevor Ariza in 2010 and dumping Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza onto the Washington Wizards last month.
This post was edited on 7/7/12 at 1:30 am
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Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:16 am to gatorhater211
Oh dear god
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:21 am to gatorhater211
tldr
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:24 am to gatorhater211
It's pretty funny that he blasts Demps then ends it with his shite Markieff Morris + crap picks trade proposal. Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:27 am to tehchampion140
I posted his major points and a few dumb things he says to help with the length
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:33 am to gatorhater211
I always hear "In Dell Demps I trust," but I've never understand the love for this guy.
Would have frickED the franchise if the original CP3 trade went through, mishandled Thorton situation, refused to deal Kaman/Landry last year, and that's just off the top of my head.
Would have frickED the franchise if the original CP3 trade went through, mishandled Thorton situation, refused to deal Kaman/Landry last year, and that's just off the top of my head.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:34 am to bddwolfpack
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bddwolfpack
Fletch, is that you?
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:37 am to gatorhater211
I'm serious.
Why does the fan base love Demps so much or "trust" him?
I think he's done a poor job, but is loved for some reason.
I just want to know some of his great moves.
Ayon was a good move, Vazquez for Pondexter was a good move, drafting Rivers will turn out to be a good move. Besides that, idk.
Why does the fan base love Demps so much or "trust" him?
I think he's done a poor job, but is loved for some reason.
I just want to know some of his great moves.
Ayon was a good move, Vazquez for Pondexter was a good move, drafting Rivers will turn out to be a good move. Besides that, idk.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:37 am to gatorhater211
He has been reading this board too much
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:40 am to gatorhater211
The Thornton/ Landry trade worked out well when David West blew out his knee and Landry played in his place throughout the end of the season and the playoffs. Also, in a shortened season it seemed like Landry missed a lot of games this year, but in a normal season the impact would have been reduced.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:46 am to bddwolfpack
I think the Landry thing was answered above me. He's a great human being and filled in wonderfully for D. West against the Lakers. He proved to be a very solid player. I would've never traded Thornton for him, but Monty didn't him so he didn't have much of a choice.
If I remember correctly, Demps had a trade in place at the deadline to acquire Javale McGee for Kaman and Okafor (not sure the full extent of the trade; might be wrong), but Washington preferred Nene.
If I remember correctly, Demps had a trade in place at the deadline to acquire Javale McGee for Kaman and Okafor (not sure the full extent of the trade; might be wrong), but Washington preferred Nene.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:47 am to bddwolfpack
dude, any GM would be a god after the we suffered through the reign of the Walrus
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:49 am to saintsfan92612
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dude, any GM would be a god after the we suffered through the reign of the Walrus
And this too
Posted on 7/7/12 at 3:07 am to bddwolfpack
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Ayon was a good move, Vazquez for Pondexter was a good move, drafting Rivers will turn out to be a good move. Besides that, idk.
besides those things and shedding Okafor and Ariza and Julian Wright... I mean what has he done?! fricking idiot
Posted on 7/7/12 at 5:39 am to bddwolfpack
he flipped some of our worst unproductive players for young-ish talent that has some upside.
Belli for juju
Vasquez for pondexter
And he got rid of two monster contracts without using our amnesty.
Dude came into a shitty, toxic situation and has made the best of it.
Belli for juju
Vasquez for pondexter
And he got rid of two monster contracts without using our amnesty.
Dude came into a shitty, toxic situation and has made the best of it.
This post was edited on 7/7/12 at 5:40 am
Posted on 7/7/12 at 5:49 am to bddwolfpack
quote:besides the trade that almost went through for Odom, Martin, and Scola..as well as the non Kaman trade, I am for the most part happy with what Dell is doing. Nobody is going to do everything right.
I always hear "In Dell Demps I trust," but I've never understand the love for this guy.
Yes we had a little luck with the lottery, but Dell is doing a solid job.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 6:36 am to Ryan3232
I think Dell has done a decent job and you have include the restrictions he worked under while the league controlled the team. But he totally mishandled the Gordon situation so far. Everybody knew that Gordon was going to get a max offer, so if you wanted to keep him and were willing to pay him.. why let it drag out? Why didn't they just offer Gordon the max contract beforehand? Now it looks like NO didn't appreciate him and is just trying to hold on to an asset. Gordon is acting like a bit of a baby, but he has a point. If NO wanted to pay him the max, they could have done it months ago.
Before everyone says you let the market decide his value, who didn't think he would get a max offer? I thought it would be Indiana, but I knew he would get one. So now NO looks like they don't think he's worth it, but they will give it to him cause they don't want to left without anything. It's bad business..
Before everyone says you let the market decide his value, who didn't think he would get a max offer? I thought it would be Indiana, but I knew he would get one. So now NO looks like they don't think he's worth it, but they will give it to him cause they don't want to left without anything. It's bad business..
Posted on 7/7/12 at 6:53 am to brmark70816
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Everybody knew that Gordon was going to get a max offer, so if you wanted to keep him and were willing to pay him.
bullshite. Nobody knew that for certain. Also, it is wise financial sense to let the market set his value instead if bidding yourself up. Gordon is just being a sandy vagina about $58M. I have no sympathy.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 6:54 am to brmark70816
i thought someone would offer him the max, but i didn't think it was a sure thing by any means
Posted on 7/7/12 at 6:57 am to Jester
Everyone is now against the original CP3 trade, but I don't recall many others barking about it at the time. Most acted thrilles about it and were screaming "frick David Stern" until the Clippers trade was announced.
Also, I don't believe that trade was ever actually agreed to.
Also, I don't believe that trade was ever actually agreed to.
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