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Why the Hornets should not even consider taking Andre Drummond
Posted on 5/20/12 at 9:28 am
Posted on 5/20/12 at 9:28 am
Forget Thabeet and all the other bust comparisons, lets take a look at similar centers who succeeded
Tyson Chandler, blossomed on a team other than the one that drafted him.
JaVale McGee, if he does ever put it together it won't be for the Wizards
Andrew Bynum, would have been traded already if he had been on a normal team. The Lakers are the only team with the luxury of waiting on a player like him
I'm sure y'all can think of others. Drummond is not Shaq or Zo or Dwight. He will not be an instant impact player which means the Hornets would have to wait on him, and history suggests that if that's the case, if he's successful it won't be until we have traded him away.
Tyson Chandler, blossomed on a team other than the one that drafted him.
JaVale McGee, if he does ever put it together it won't be for the Wizards
Andrew Bynum, would have been traded already if he had been on a normal team. The Lakers are the only team with the luxury of waiting on a player like him
I'm sure y'all can think of others. Drummond is not Shaq or Zo or Dwight. He will not be an instant impact player which means the Hornets would have to wait on him, and history suggests that if that's the case, if he's successful it won't be until we have traded him away.
This post was edited on 5/20/12 at 9:29 am
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Posted on 5/20/12 at 9:44 am to TigerinATL
I didn't watch much of Drummond this season, but everything I read or hear points to the likelihood that he'll take time to develop. So you have a point, and I tend to agree. I will say, though, that a lot of writers and scouts seem to think he's truly a special physical talent. I just want two guys who can contribute quickly.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 9:48 am to TigerinATL
If Davis isn't there, I hope we take Drummond.
He has the most upside as anyone in this Draft.
He has the most upside as anyone in this Draft.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 12:04 pm to TigerinATL
Drummond would be a disaster.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 12:24 pm to TigerinATL
If you run your organization like the 01 Bulls and the modern day Wizards then yes, it will be a terrible situation for Drummond. I don't think having to wait 4 years for a 19 year old player to realize his potential is that unreasonable. Especially if he's able to contribute defensively and on the boards while you wait. With that said, I'd have him ranked 5th or 6th and only take him there.
This isn't true at all. They almost traded him for Jason Kidd 4 years ago, a young team isn't going to dump a player like Bynum for an aging vet. You're basically seeing what Bynum would've been like on a bad team with Cousins on the Kings. Bad attitude, coaches fired, but seemingly unlimited potential.
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Andrew Bynum, would have been traded already if he had been on a normal team. The Lakers are the only team with the luxury of waiting on a player like him
This isn't true at all. They almost traded him for Jason Kidd 4 years ago, a young team isn't going to dump a player like Bynum for an aging vet. You're basically seeing what Bynum would've been like on a bad team with Cousins on the Kings. Bad attitude, coaches fired, but seemingly unlimited potential.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 12:51 pm to TigerinATL
The problem with the NBA as a whole today is the rules with regards to how players can enter the draft. Patrick Ewing averaged 20 points, 9 boards his rookie year. Olajuwon? 21 and 11. Even just "good" or serviceable centers like Rik Smits or Mark Eaton contributed immediately to teams. Two extra years of development can do so much for big men, and being thrown to the wolves at 18 or 19 can really stunt their development.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 12:57 pm to floridatigah
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You're basically seeing what Bynum would've been like on a bad team with Cousins on the Kings. Bad attitude, coaches fired, but seemingly unlimited potential.
I see your point about Cousins, but he's not the only one at fault for that mess this year.
After Westphal, who is a joke of an NBA coach at this time, was canned, Cousins was phenomenal. I could be wrong, but I don't remember hearing anything negative about DMC once Westphal was let go.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 1:06 pm to TigerinATL
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Why the Hornets should not even consider taking Andre Drummond
You could've posted (no message) after this and I would agree with you.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 1:21 pm to TigerinATL
I'll hold off until pre-draft work outs/seeing where the team is drafting. But unless Drummond drops to the Hornets at 4, then I don't wanna take him top 3.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 1:29 pm to TigerinATL
Jermaine O'Neal is another one.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 2:19 pm to TigerinATL
You just made the same case for why we shouldn't take Anthony Davis if we get the #1 pick. Cuz obviously even the best bigs take a while and will probably succeed on another team.
...but no, it's different for Davis cuz he dominated college athletes. Which means he'll automatically dominate the better NBA athletes too even though he has a lot he'll have to develop and learn.
But he'll produce right away? Not really on offense outside of put backs, dunks, and doing well from the FT line. But...Drummond already rebounds well. Already blocks well. Crappy FT shooter, but that can develop.
People are so terrified of the bust but...I'm a gambler. If Drummond is there when we pick I'd be tempted to take him. Unless we win the lotto. Then it's a moot issue.
...but no, it's different for Davis cuz he dominated college athletes. Which means he'll automatically dominate the better NBA athletes too even though he has a lot he'll have to develop and learn.
But he'll produce right away? Not really on offense outside of put backs, dunks, and doing well from the FT line. But...Drummond already rebounds well. Already blocks well. Crappy FT shooter, but that can develop.
People are so terrified of the bust but...I'm a gambler. If Drummond is there when we pick I'd be tempted to take him. Unless we win the lotto. Then it's a moot issue.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 2:25 pm to Eman5805
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You just made the same case for why we shouldn't take Anthony Davis
Davis isn't a project on the level Drummond is. Or any of those other guys for that matter
Posted on 5/20/12 at 2:38 pm to Lester Earl
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Davis isn't a project on the level Drummond is. Or any of those other guys for that matter
Damn straight he isn't. But there will still be an adjustment period. He's probably not going to come in averaging a double double with like 3 blocks a game right out the gate. Or maybe he will...but my thing is, I don't see anything to suggest Drummond is the idiot that Javale McGee or even Bynum are.
He may be lost at times, but he isn't making terrible, selfish decisions that make you scratch your head. Just the kinda moves you see a very young, raw player make.
And aren't we rebuilding anyway? A project makes sense. A Drummond and Sullinger/Lillard/Terrence Ross draft wouldn't be a bad haul at all.
Edit: Now here's a nice compilation of Drummond on defense. LINK
By no means perfect, but I see a lot of people barely able to move him around without him displaying much effort. Just 18 during all this. I see not just potential, but the ability to capitalize on it here. I might be wrong, but...I'm willing to find out.
This post was edited on 5/20/12 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 5/20/12 at 2:50 pm to Eman5805
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People are so terrified of the bust but
I'm not scared of the bust. I'm scared that even if he booms he won't boom for the Hornets and we'll get no value out of our 1st pick until Demps' replacement trades him in 3 years. That's just the way these guys seem to develop. Comparing him to Davis is crazy in this context because I think everyone on this board would expect Davis to be starting within a year, even with limited offensive skills.
This post was edited on 5/20/12 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 5/20/12 at 2:55 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm not scared of the bust. I'm scared that even if he booms he won't boom for the Hornets and we'll get no value out of our 1st pick until Demps' replacement trades him in 3 years. That's just the way these guys seem to develop. Comparing him to Davis is crazy in this context because I think everyone on this board would expect Davis to be starting within a year, even with limited offensive skills.
Isn't that the fear any team should have? I mean there is no Lakers picking in the top 5 this year that can afford to wait it out, like you say. So any team that drafts him is just holding him for the next team then?
Eh. May as well be us, unless we're the ones who are the 2nd team.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 2:58 pm to floridatigah
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Especially if he's able to contribute on the boards while you wait
He didn't do that against college centers
Posted on 5/20/12 at 3:01 pm to Eman5805
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But...Drummond already rebounds well.
Not really. See the stats thread. Davis os clearly on a different level.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 3:09 pm to Eman5805
Drummond has grown on me, especially since some of the guys ive thought would be worthy of a high pick have kind of dropped.
I was just noting he is not comparable to Davis.
We are. But i think the point of this topic was that those other guys were projects too, and their original team did not reap the benefits of drafting them. The 2nd team that had them did.
I was just noting he is not comparable to Davis.
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And aren't we rebuilding anyway? A project makes sense.
We are. But i think the point of this topic was that those other guys were projects too, and their original team did not reap the benefits of drafting them. The 2nd team that had them did.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 3:40 pm to Jester
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Not really. See the stats thread. Davis os clearly on a different level.
Careful now. Don't get me wrong. Davis is leaps and bounds the #1 player. Produces on a high level. Smart. Athletic and long as all get out. And has lots of room to grow as a player.
Just saying that citing development time as a negative, in our situation, not really something I'd worry about. We're not one year away, per say. I think we can afford to take a flyer on Drummond. Besides, not like we'll only have one pick in this lottery. There's fringe All-Star talent to be found at #10.
Posted on 5/20/12 at 3:48 pm to Eman5805
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Isn't that the fear any team should have?
To a certain extent yes. 247 did a podcast several weeks back where they calculated only about 10% of guys from I think the 2005 class were on their 2nd contract with the team that drafted them. So odds are you are just drafting a future trade asset and Drummond may fetch you more in 3 years than TRob or Barnes, but the difference is we are likely to get much more production from those 2 than Drummond in the interim, which could be very important to keeping Gordon when he becomes a UFA.
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