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Baseball recruiting question from an half hearted baseball fan
Posted on 4/22/12 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 4/22/12 at 4:22 pm
First of all I am not a huge baseball fan. I only follow LSU and only because I graduated from LSU.
On to the recruiting question. I understand we lose guys to the pro's so that can hurt us in recruiting.
But how about the batting side of the chess match? Is LSU able to get virtually anyone we want? I mean seriously isn't there at least 10 guys each year with bats like RR has that would be chomping at the bit to get to LSU and be able to play ball in front of a real crowd instead of just family and friends.
So why aren't a bunch of guys on our team batting 375!
A. Pros steal our recruits
B. Talent is hard to judge in baseball
C. Highschool ball players are insane and don't want to come to LSU for some reason.
Now don't misunderstand this isn't me complaining,LSU is a good as they come year in and year out. Just wondering why our talent isn't way beyond all the other teams.
On to the recruiting question. I understand we lose guys to the pro's so that can hurt us in recruiting.
But how about the batting side of the chess match? Is LSU able to get virtually anyone we want? I mean seriously isn't there at least 10 guys each year with bats like RR has that would be chomping at the bit to get to LSU and be able to play ball in front of a real crowd instead of just family and friends.
So why aren't a bunch of guys on our team batting 375!
A. Pros steal our recruits
B. Talent is hard to judge in baseball
C. Highschool ball players are insane and don't want to come to LSU for some reason.
Now don't misunderstand this isn't me complaining,LSU is a good as they come year in and year out. Just wondering why our talent isn't way beyond all the other teams.
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 4:24 pm to omegaman66
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least 10 guys each year with bats like RR
no one in the country is batting like this.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 4:26 pm to CP3LSU25
I know... I said 375 not 500!
Posted on 4/22/12 at 4:32 pm to omegaman66
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But how about the batting side of the chess match?
we have been able to hang on to more top end pitchers( Gausman, Eades) in the previous 2-3 years, compared to the hitters.
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Is LSU able to get virtually anyone we want?
no, MLB is still gutting us and recruting big time bats is a very tough task when you cant sign guys that are really good, espescially when they tell you they are coming and they end up leaving for the money. All schools have problems with this, not just LSU.
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I mean seriously isn't there at least 10 guys each year with bats like RR has that would be chomping at the bit to get to LSU and be able to play ball in front of a real crowd instead of just family and friends.
well, their may be 10 guys in our lifetime that can do what RR is doing right now, however, if a big time recruit was doing what RR was doing in either HS or JUCO, he would end up bolting for the draft.
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So why aren't a bunch of guys on our team batting 375!
our team avg is pretty good
Posted on 4/22/12 at 4:40 pm to LsuTool
I realize .500 isn't realistic. I said 375! But thanks for the answer, works the same for the batting side as it does for the pitching side... thanks for the info.
But man can you imagine if the pro's wouldn't taken anyone unless they were at least a JR in college! LSU would probably win the championship 75% of the time.
But man can you imagine if the pro's wouldn't taken anyone unless they were at least a JR in college! LSU would probably win the championship 75% of the time.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 4:41 pm to omegaman66
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Is LSU able to get virtually anyone we want?
Yes and No.
Basically in a nutshell LSU get's who they want, however this is not how baseball recruiting works. You actually answered your question several times...the MLB draft.
Why would LSU sign the top 15 high school players in the nation knowing they would ALL sign pro contracts without stepping foot on campus? The answer is they wouldn't because it's a very risky practice, coaches continually have to find a medium in between that Bryce Harper at the age of 16-17 and your run of the mill average college player.
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A. Pros steal our recruits
Happens to every team in the country including LSU.
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B. Talent is hard to judge in baseball
Extremely hard, espically the younger the player is.
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C. Highschool ball players are insane and don't want to come to LSU for some reason
No.
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Just wondering why our talent isn't way beyond all the other teams.
Baseball is no longer a regional spot, it's nationwide. This is why you're seeing new teams every year cracking into the top 25 unlike the 70's, 80's, and 90's.
Back to your question LSU has been hit hard in the draft the last three years, losing a great number of position players. However the Tigers have gotten extremely lucky in landing Gausman, Eades, and Nola (three guys who were at times locks to sign out of high school).
Posted on 4/22/12 at 5:00 pm to Adam4848
It's been said, and you've basically answered your question, but...
LSU has a great program and probably has the best nationwide recruiting in the country.
It's a double edged sword, though, because the best players leave for the pros and like you said, it's hard to judge talent. So basically, the locks to be stars are gone, so every coach in the country has to take a lot of risks and make difficult judgements in order to field a team.
That being said, we do a very good job and our batting is usually good. It's just some games we don't show up.
LSU has a great program and probably has the best nationwide recruiting in the country.
It's a double edged sword, though, because the best players leave for the pros and like you said, it's hard to judge talent. So basically, the locks to be stars are gone, so every coach in the country has to take a lot of risks and make difficult judgements in order to field a team.
That being said, we do a very good job and our batting is usually good. It's just some games we don't show up.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 5:02 pm to omegaman66
Can you tell the difference between the guys in high school that bat .450 but will hit .280 in college and the guys that bat .450 in high school but will bat .350 in college? Can you do it once you remove the guys who aren't drafted high?
A good rule of thumb is that if your question has an "All you have to do is..." starting point, you probably don't know enough to be critical.
The truth is that there is a fine line between finding guys who aren't pro worthy out of high school but have the ability to develop into good college hitters and those that do not.
LSU has to do a better job than it has recently. We need to be better at identifying talent...and better about developing it once here. But, it's not nearly as simple as you think.
A good rule of thumb is that if your question has an "All you have to do is..." starting point, you probably don't know enough to be critical.
The truth is that there is a fine line between finding guys who aren't pro worthy out of high school but have the ability to develop into good college hitters and those that do not.
LSU has to do a better job than it has recently. We need to be better at identifying talent...and better about developing it once here. But, it's not nearly as simple as you think.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 5:23 pm to omegaman66
Another issue is the limitation on bb scholarships by the NCAA. If LSU could give lots of full rides like they do in FB... room, board, tuition, then LSU could get a lot of players to opt for college instead of going the minor league route.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 5:58 pm to omegaman66
You can hedge the variability in your ability to evaluate talent by making sure you have qualified coaches to maximize each player's talent. South Carolina has that right now. LSU does not.
Unfortunately, this is not true. In 2010, LSU didn't even make it to a regional final. Then last year...
Considering the resources LSU throws at baseball (relative to every other program) this is a very valid question.
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LSU is a good as they come year in and year out.
Unfortunately, this is not true. In 2010, LSU didn't even make it to a regional final. Then last year...
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Just wondering why our talent isn't way beyond all the other teams.
Considering the resources LSU throws at baseball (relative to every other program) this is a very valid question.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 6:29 pm to omegaman66
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Just wondering why our talent isn't way beyond all the other teams.
Because this isn't the world we live in anymore. LSU cannot get everyone especially when the Florida, USC, Arkansas, Vandy, and Ole Miss' of the world are so good year in and year out.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 6:32 pm to flucobaseball
The problem of being raided by ML teams may be circumvented with the new CBA that limits draft spending in the first ten rounds. It will be much harder to pull that kid away since you can't offer nearly as much as in the past especially the later in the round you get.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:22 pm to nolatiger88
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The problem of being raided by ML teams may be circumvented with the new CBA
What will circumvent the problem of being raided by Ole Miss, Alabama and to a lesser extent, Auburn and Tulane? New coach?
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:26 pm to Adam4848
Does it look like LSU will sign any power hitters this year that have a chance at making it to school?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 1:01 am to Filtiger
Although the chances of Joey Gallo making it to campus are slim to none he has the most power in the high school crop this year.
Watch out for Christopher Chinea from Miami, he's another strong bodied catcher.
To be honest Mainieri's starting to sign guys of Raph Rhymes stature if you will. With the new bats the focus is more on finding guys who can spray the ball around the field with above average speed.
Watch out for Christopher Chinea from Miami, he's another strong bodied catcher.
To be honest Mainieri's starting to sign guys of Raph Rhymes stature if you will. With the new bats the focus is more on finding guys who can spray the ball around the field with above average speed.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 2:30 am to lsu711
None of those schools can compete with lsu in baseball recruiting. Lsu usually signs whoever they want. Getting them on campus is what is hurting them. Not losing them to other schools.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:26 am to omegaman66
what sucks is having 11.7 scholarships to spread among 35 players too.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 5:02 pm to Pilot Tiger
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what sucks is having 11.7 scholarships to spread among 35 players too.
Actually, my understanding is you can only have a maximum of 25 players on scholarship, so 11.7 to spread amoung 25 players with 10 getting nothing at all. And the NCAA also has a minimum now too, so each player on scholarship must get at least 25%...no more just giving a kid book money or the like...
Posted on 4/23/12 at 5:52 pm to TigerinSoCal
Did they move up the deadline this year? I hated having to wait till August to find out who was actually going to make it to campus.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 6:03 pm to Joe Mantegna
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Did they move up the deadline this year? I hated having to wait till August to find out who was actually going to make it to campus.
Yes, they did. Also the new CBA will have an effect as well. Less going over slot, hard caps for all draftees I think. It could lead to more kids coming to college, but it remains to be seen.
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