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Stars and rankings don't mean anything.

Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:48 pm
Posted by LSUisBetterthanU
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
766 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:48 pm
How many LSU all Americans were 3*. Look at how many NFL all pros weren't even drafted. Scouts aren't gods. LSU will continue to dominate with players that want to play here. We are going to start the season top five in the nation and we aren't falling off. If you are to scared to go to a school because of the depth chart then we don't need you. All great players want to play against the best.

All you haters need to piss off!!!!
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 1:49 pm
Posted by L-S-U-L-S-U
Member since Dec 2004
344 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:51 pm to
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Stars and rankings don't mean anything.


Are you crazy? All of LSU's most successful seasons have come after stringing their higher ranked classes and not after stringing their lower ranked classes together. Think before you post.
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:52 pm to
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How many LSU all Americans were 3*. Look at how many NFL all pros weren't even drafted. Scouts aren't gods. LSU will continue to dominate with players that want to play here.


Actually, empirical evidence shows that five stars have approximately a 1/15-1/20 chance of becoming All-Americans, while 3 stars have approximately a 1/150 - 1/200 chance of becoming All-Americans at the D-1A level. Similarly, a much greater percentage of five stars are drafted. Definitely exceptions to the rule, but you want to live and die with the rule.

This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 1:54 pm
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
24308 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:53 pm to
Jacob Hester 2 star

Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60387 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:55 pm to
You're right. Pure coincidence the best recruiting team in the nation has won 2 of the last 3 championships.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:57 pm to
They mean something. They don't mean as much as the recruiting services would have you believe but they are generally a predictor of future success.
There are always busts and there are always diamonds in the rough.
Teams that contend for elite honors have successive years of great recruiting (as listed by the major services). Teams that don't consistently recruit in the Top 10 are Ole Miss and Miss State.
LSU's great success since 2000 is reflective of pretty consistently reeling in Top 10 classes. It's why Saban had them build the Academic support center and the Football Operations building.
You're an idiot or imbecile if you think rankings don't mean "anything".
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
76505 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:57 pm to
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How many LSU all Americans were 3*
How many were 4 and 5 star?

If you want to get thrilled about lower ranked classes, that's fine.

Personally, I stopped doing that after Hallman.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73512 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:57 pm to
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Actually, empirical evidence shows that five stars have approximately a 1/15-1/20 chance of becoming All-Americans, while 3 stars have approximately a 1/150 - 1/200 chance of becoming All-Americans at the D-1A level.


This is true. However, how many LSU All American's were 5 star recruits in comparison to 3 and 4 stars? Evaluated HS talent is only a small part of the overall equation.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71778 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:58 pm to
A team full of 5 stars will beat a team full of 2 stars more often than not

There are outliers, but stars do matter
Posted by Politiceaux
Member since Feb 2009
17654 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

Stars and rankings don't mean anything.

Posted by BayouBengalinBama
Member since Jul 2005
4398 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 1:59 pm to
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Actually, empirical evidence shows that five stars have approximately a 1/15-1/20 chance of becoming All-Americans, while 3 stars have approximately a 1/150 - 1/200 chance of becoming All-Americans at the D-1A level. Similarly, a much greater percentage of five stars are drafted. Definitely exceptions to the rule, but you want to live and die with the rule.


Hmmm - Serious question, Does this take into account there are X 5*, XX 4* and XXX 3* (Obviously there are way more 3* than 5*)
Posted by SOL
Garland, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2950 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:01 pm to
I'll take a 5* all day long over a 3.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73512 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:02 pm to
It is a bit like SAT/ACT/GRE scores and prediction academic success. Standardized test scores only account for about 9% of later academic success but are currently the single best predictor that schools have, which is why everyone uses them.
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 2:04 pm
Posted by Politiceaux
Member since Feb 2009
17654 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:05 pm to
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Hmmm - Serious question, Does this take into account there are X 5*, XX 4* and XXX 3*

Not a serious question. Do you think they'd do a percentage calculation without this? Really?
Posted by jackson123
Dallas
Member since Jul 2010
1550 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:05 pm to
Yes they do. Please don't act like Texas A&M to excuse our piss poor performance this year.
Posted by Bubba Hotep
Member since Nov 2003
9330 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:06 pm to
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I'll take a 5* all day long over a 3.


Of course you would, right now. Because that's all the facts you have to go on. You would be stupid not to.

However, coaches regularly take lower ranked players over higher ranked players. They have addtional information that you and the people that do rankings don't have. And their internal rankings are usually very different than media rankings.

Saying they don't mean anything is dumb. Should be they don't mean everything and are extremely flawed.

Posted by Patato Salad
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2009
620 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

Are you crazy? All of LSU's most successful seasons have come after stringing their higher ranked classes and not after stringing their lower ranked classes together. Think before you post.



Correlation =/= causation. Think before you post.
Posted by legohairedman
BR
Member since Dec 2009
334 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:07 pm to
OP is just pouting....class was fine. I would have liked a better instate showing at the top but its whatever
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73512 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:08 pm to
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Yes they do. Please don't act like Texas A&M to excuse our piss poor performance this year.


I am assuming that you meant to reply to the OP.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 2:08 pm to
I am willing to bet you have just as many hits and misses for 4*, 3*, 2*, and 1* players as you do for 5*.... the difference is sample size of 5* is smaller but the averages will probably be same.
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