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Did CLM really have options?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 7:33 am
Posted on 1/13/12 at 7:33 am
Scenario:
Dissension between players and or coaches and HC
HC must establish he is the HC and has the final say
That being said ..
HC has options:
1. Realize that coaching for the BCS championship is different than any other game-
2. Listen to input of coaches and players, thank them for input, seriously consider what he has heard and make decisions based on what it takes to win the game
3. Explain to players and coaches that the game plan is in place, he is the HC and that the time for discussion is over.
4. Approach the coaching of this game as any game- i.e that is it does not matter what game you are playing- they all should be coached the same.
Bonus Question- IS the team management method coaches use today in decision making vastly different than 30 years ago?
Dissension between players and or coaches and HC
HC must establish he is the HC and has the final say
That being said ..
HC has options:
1. Realize that coaching for the BCS championship is different than any other game-
2. Listen to input of coaches and players, thank them for input, seriously consider what he has heard and make decisions based on what it takes to win the game
3. Explain to players and coaches that the game plan is in place, he is the HC and that the time for discussion is over.
4. Approach the coaching of this game as any game- i.e that is it does not matter what game you are playing- they all should be coached the same.
Bonus Question- IS the team management method coaches use today in decision making vastly different than 30 years ago?
This post was edited on 1/13/12 at 7:45 am
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Posted on 1/13/12 at 7:53 am to 756
Why would any coaching plan not include playing the Sr. Back up QB that started 8 games, was undefeated, and had team ranked #1, in the 4th quarter when team is losing and starter is having his worst game ever?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 7:57 am to 756
quote:yes...he could have tried to air it out...obviously the running game was not working. How many passes did we throw down field? Two? Ridiculous.
Did CLM really have options?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:03 am to Chicken
Plenty of options. Yes. Put Mett in and air it out for one play. I dont care. Have JJ throw a behind screen to Mett of JL and throw the ball downfield.
or
Have JJ in shotgun, drop back and heave a pass as far as you can just to try and get them thinking.
or
Have JJ in shotgun, drop back and heave a pass as far as you can just to try and get them thinking.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:04 am to Festus
quote:
... in the 4th quarter when team is losing and starter is having his worst game ever?
Fetus, I'm not arguing with your overall point, but just saying, the BCSCG was not even close to JJ's worst game ever.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:05 am to Chicken
I am concerned our coach did not realize that coaching management methods in the BCS championship game are different than other games.
You should always coach to win, but sometimes you coach for the next game or in a bowl game for the next season-
But in the BCS CG you coach to win- leave every option on the field-
You should always coach to win, but sometimes you coach for the next game or in a bowl game for the next season-
But in the BCS CG you coach to win- leave every option on the field-
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:06 am to Chicken
times 1000 Chicken
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:09 am to Festus
quote:
Posted by Festus Why would any coaching plan not include playing the Sr. Back up QB that started 8 games, was undefeated, and had team ranked #1, in the 4th quarter when team is losing and starter is having his worst game ever?
/thread
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:10 am to 756
quote:
I am concerned our coach did not realize that coaching management methods in the BCS championship game are different than other games. You should always coach to win, but sometimes you coach for the next game or in a bowl game for the next season- But in the BCS CG you coach to win- leave every option on the field-
absolutely correct.
BCS game is WIN NOW, will correct it later.
...if you have not used all your weapons
and you lost,
you did not coach to win.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:10 am to themunch
hey if he would have mirrored Saban's plan- quick flare passes to the side line
that would have produced results
which QB would have been best at those passes?
that would have produced results
which QB would have been best at those passes?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:13 am to Penrod
quote:
Fetus, I'm not arguing with your overall point, but just saying, the BCSCG was not even close to JJ's worst game ever.
BOOM
yes the way it went down is truly puzzling, for those that say Miles doesnt owe me an explanation I think at some time he needs explain in a little more detail, after emotions have calmed down, what happened. But that may never come. I think the magnitude of this game and the number of people who are scratching their head saying WTF?, he knows he fricked up and I think he may have learned something
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:14 am to 756
quote:
Did CLM really have options?
That's what got us in this predicament now. No back up for options.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:15 am to Chicken
quote:
yes...he could have tried to air it out...obviously the running game was not working. How many passes did we throw down field? Two? Ridiculous.
Is that you, Bobby?
This post was edited on 1/13/12 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:18 am to 756
When will someone challenge Miles on the very.reasoned and well thought out posts contained in this thread?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:20 am to Choupique19
I have no explanation other than CLM allowed his personal pride to over rule the rules of coaching
His mentor Bo would not have agreed with his game coaching
His mentor Bo would not have agreed with his game coaching
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:20 am to Choupique19
We can beat this to death but anyone who still does not believe that CLM botched personnel options in this game is simply a moron....period!
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:23 am to crazycajun
I think we all agree- and I for one believe discussions within boundaries are healthy for CLM, players, coaches and the fans
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:29 am to 756
Am I the only one that while watching the game, Alabama's offense looked much like our's did the first 8 games of the season. Short safe passing game to set up the run and then pound them in the second half?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:32 am to 756
Scenario:
Note to HC/CLM: Options bother you, confuse you? Start with three viable (if not absolutely talented) quarterbacks. Then begin limiting your options early in season by publicly stating you believe in a strong, dual threat 2 QB system. You might even want to toy with the appearance of this by mid-season. But then proceed by giving significant play time to only one of your three best QBs, gradually weaning the other two of any real-game experience and draining them of any excess confidence. You will find that if you get to a championship game at the end of season, you won't have too many pesky options to deal with and you can stick with that one QB you preferred, no matter how badly he might play. After all, football is only a game and subject to the whims of caprice anyway. Preparation doesn't really matter that much. Right?
Note to HC/CLM: Options bother you, confuse you? Start with three viable (if not absolutely talented) quarterbacks. Then begin limiting your options early in season by publicly stating you believe in a strong, dual threat 2 QB system. You might even want to toy with the appearance of this by mid-season. But then proceed by giving significant play time to only one of your three best QBs, gradually weaning the other two of any real-game experience and draining them of any excess confidence. You will find that if you get to a championship game at the end of season, you won't have too many pesky options to deal with and you can stick with that one QB you preferred, no matter how badly he might play. After all, football is only a game and subject to the whims of caprice anyway. Preparation doesn't really matter that much. Right?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:33 am to 756
All we know for a fact is this. JL's play may or may not have yielded a different outcome, but his entering the game definitely would have given the team a much needed spark. The crowd would have erupted and even if only for a short time that would have help to motivate the team!
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