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J Lee underutilized by coaching staff??
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:40 pm
The following is the scouting report on Lee coming out of high school. He was the #10 rated qb of 2007. Did our coaching staff underutilize his skill set? Absolutely.
<Lee is one of the best quarterbacks in this class when throwing on the move. Rolling right or left, he displays great zip and accuracy, and he is a good enough athlete that if the throw is not there, he is a factor as a runner. Possesses good size, can....>
<Lee is one of the best quarterbacks in this class when throwing on the move. Rolling right or left, he displays great zip and accuracy, and he is a good enough athlete that if the throw is not there, he is a factor as a runner. Possesses good size, can....>
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:49 pm to km
Please Stop!!!! Yesi would have like to see Lee with a better Qb coach but you just can't blame coach for players not progressing Some blame needs to be on the player. Yes he was hampered by crowton not being QB coach but be honest yourself lee is a average QB that could manage hte game that it. Heis not a QB that will win you a game. He folded against defenses thats the facts wish he would have gotton a chance but yall need to stop with this crap already!!
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:49 pm to km
Please Stop!!!! Yes i would have like to see Lee with a better Qb coach but you just can't blame coach for players not progressing Some blame needs to be on the player. Yes he was hampered by crowton not being QB coach but be honest yourself lee is a average QB that could manage hte game that it. Heis not a QB that will win you a game. He folded against defenses thats the facts wish he would have gotton a chance but yall need to stop with this crap already!!
Posted on 1/11/12 at 1:53 pm to Mr LSU2001
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for players not progressing
Hey JJs cousin, Lee left the team as the top rated SEC QB, on the All-SEC Sr team
Just because JJ went out horribly, doesn't mean you can link Lee to him anymore
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:01 pm to TIsuGGER
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Hey JJs cousin, Lee left the team as the top rated SEC QB, on the All-SEC Sr team
Just because JJ went out horribly, doesn't mean you can link Lee to him anymore
Not a JJ fan or a Lee fan that being said i think lee should have started just like alot of people but you people are acting like Lee threw for 200 plus everygame and its not true. Yes he improved some but he is sill JUST A GAME MANAGER he did not win one game by throwing this year!!! we won with defense and a running game!!!!! A ys the SEC top rated QB by throwing how much less than all the other QB's. I am not a lee or JJ hater its just time for you guys to admit both guys are just average to below average players!!!
And i am a LSU fan i support all players!!
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:03 pm to Mr LSU2001
quote:Really?
He is not a QB that will win you a game. He folded against defenses thats the facts wish he would have gotton a chance but yall need to stop with this crap already!!
Crap defenses in 2008, playing from behind, being forced to throw to win. We won't take his circumstances into consideration? Even after the second longest passes w/o an interception streak?
Here's a list of the games that Lee lead/or was a major part of a comeback for a win.
Auburn 2008
MissSt 2008
Troy 2008
Tennessee 2010
Florida 2010 - There can be no debate about this one!
Alabama 2010
With the game on the line, trailing and needing to score, Lee could sling it and bring LSU back.
It happened several times in 2010, and a dual qb situation was setup. Why not in 2011?
With little hope left in the Championship game this year...... Explain to me why Jefferson was the better option given both players' history.
Were you really afraid that a Lee interception would seal the game?
It was pretty obvious the game was going to be over without a change, yet we watched the clock melt down to zero, seemingly content with our Qb play.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:14 pm to Mahootney
JL stats were consistent. He could of threw for more yards but we ran the ball so well. You could tell every week he looked more comfortable and played much better until the Alabama game. Les totally fricked him
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:19 pm to Mahootney
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Were you really afraid that a Lee interception would seal the game?
It was pretty obvious the game was going to be over without a change, yet we watched the clock melt down to zero, seemingly content with our Qb play
Hey lok lets get something straight i wanted Lee to go in just like everyone buti am not acting like he would have tourched bama' defense either
quote:
Here's a list of the games that Lee lead/or was a major part of a comeback for a win.
Auburn 2008
MissSt 2008
Troy 2008
Tennessee 2010
Florida 2010 - There can be no debate about this one!
Ok look are you really going to compare these teams to bama from this year
I am ot saying Jlee did not have his moments but he is just a game manager i am not tring to bea hater its just true. He and jj both had there good moments threw out there career but th facts are both are just average thats all i am saying. No one on this board can say Lee would have come back on Bama( i would have like to see him try) but Lee struggled last time and bama did the same thing Defensively this game they did last they jst defended the option better this time. I am just tring to get people to stop acting like Lee and JJ for that fact were better than they relly were. Both are just again average to below average!
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:31 pm to GeauxZone90
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JL stats were consistent. He could of threw for more yards but we ran the ball so well. You could tell every week he looked more comfortable and played much better until the Alabama game. Les totally fricked him
The point is he is a Game manager. Both Qb's managed the game well against defenses that were average!!! Georgia shut down passing game and run game just ran out of steam and Bama just crushed our O in both games both QB's struggled against that Defense!! Thats the point here!! i didn't say i perfer either QB i am an LSU fan i support all i am just stating the fact for those that suggest that either of them are anything more than game managers!!! and they are both just average! I said earlier that i will JLee would have had a QB coach to see how he developed. But under the situation he had this is what you got!!
Now i am not going to try and give any reason miles went with JJ not sure but Miles is the coach and if you want to blame Miles fine but Jlee did not help himself on 11/5. But i think he deserved a shot monday
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:33 pm to GeauxZone90
Les did have a point about Lee not doing great under pressure, and Lee has thrown some bad passes this year. However, he has done great when asked to go out there and win us this game.
There were plays to be made at the end of the MNC.
Landry open on the post, two ODB passes, Peterson running wide open down the middle of the field.
Les and JJ went down together.
BL, TT, RR, ODB... all of their stats tanked with JJ. I'd love to see a poll as to the WRs pick for starter.
I'm not a JJ hater. The guy has a role on the team, and Les seems willing to pull Lee when needed. He even pulled JJ last year when needed.
Even after the change, Why in the hell wouldn't you pull JJ in the most important game?
There were plays to be made at the end of the MNC.
Landry open on the post, two ODB passes, Peterson running wide open down the middle of the field.
Les and JJ went down together.
quote:He would pick guys up after a mistake. He made great decisions. He showed that this team was capable of making big plays in the passing game. It seemed like RR had a TD in every game we played. With the 2011 offense rolling, why make the change?
JL stats were consistent. He could have thrown for more yards, but we ran the ball so well, there wasn't a need. You could tell every week he looked more comfortable and played much better until the Alabama game. Les totally fricked him
BL, TT, RR, ODB... all of their stats tanked with JJ. I'd love to see a poll as to the WRs pick for starter.
I'm not a JJ hater. The guy has a role on the team, and Les seems willing to pull Lee when needed. He even pulled JJ last year when needed.
Even after the change, Why in the hell wouldn't you pull JJ in the most important game?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:35 pm to Mr LSU2001
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its just time for you guys to admit both guys are just average to below average players!!!
Don't think so.
Lee is playing in the Hula Bowl.
Like all post-season college all-star games, the NFL has input on the invitees.
Lee is well above average.
Deal with it.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:38 pm to Mahootney
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Even after the change, Why in the hell wouldn't you pull JJ in the most important game?
I am not sure why? If i had to guess that history Lee's mistakes(int's) in the past were worse than JJ's according to coaches. But thats the choices you make as a coach but i am sure miles second guessed himself after game but i hope he is not dwelling and getting back to work! Every coach makes mistakes in everygame so we will never know that answer!
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:43 pm to km
<Both Qb's managed the game well against defenses that were average>
Jefferson has never and will never "manage" a game. Hell, he can't even remember the play and snap count. My 12 year old has more knowledge (and more desire) to learn strategy than Jefferson. He's the worst LSU qb in years. Arrogant, pompous and immature.
Jefferson has never and will never "manage" a game. Hell, he can't even remember the play and snap count. My 12 year old has more knowledge (and more desire) to learn strategy than Jefferson. He's the worst LSU qb in years. Arrogant, pompous and immature.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:51 pm to hybrid3
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Lee is playing in the Hula Bowl.
Like all post-season college all-star games, the NFL has input on the invitees
Damn when did the Hula bowl turn into a Allstar game!!! Most seinor that are not going to be 1st or second round picks play in one of the games. Sorry to burst your bubble but he is just an average QB he might get on a practice squad if he is lucky. But again stop fooling yourself and admit he was an average QB thats it not tring to hate but its true!! He was not an elite QB he was just average. Hopefully ZM will fix our QB probelm.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:57 pm to km
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Both Qb's managed the game well against defenses that were average>
Jefferson has never and will never "manage" a game. Hell, he can't even remember the play and snap count. My 12 year old has more knowledge (and more desire) to learn strategy than Jefferson. He's the worst LSU qb in years. Arrogant, pompous and immature.
Yes i am sure your twelve year old can run a college offense!! I could have sworn JJ started the last 4 games and did just that. The point was KM was that both were just average or below average and that we won with D and a good running game! With all the conterversey with those neither seperated themself from the other. They both had there ups and downs through there career. Niether set the world on fire both again were just average to below average!! thats the point i am making. Not to flame or name call on either one of them.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:15 pm to Mr LSU2001
All I know is watching LSU's offense with Lee under center was a lot more uniform and exciting than when JJ took over as the full time starter. Yes, Lee played poorly against Alabama the first time and he was yanked. Jefferson played poorly against UGA and Alabama the second time and no thought was given to replacing him.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:23 pm to TigerRanter
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All I know is watching LSU's offense with Lee under center was a lot more uniform and exciting than when JJ took over as the full time starter. Yes, Lee played poorly against Alabama the first time and he was yanked. Jefferson played poorly against UGA and Alabama the second time and no thought was given to replacing him.
I am not sure why JJ stayed in. But i don't think either Qb would have helped our O. We had Lee agaist this same D on the 5th and it wasn't pretty thats why all i a saying is with Lee and JJ being average to below average its an offense that when the run game isn't there neither is the passing game. No one on this board can pick a game were we were not running well and the passig game won the game. Every game was great running and passing off the run. Not once all year was it the otherway which is a tell sign of average QB play.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:26 pm to TigerRanter
The fact of the matter is that with JL at the helm we never had an extended period of time where we couldn't move the ball. In addition, Les showed no reservations about yanking him if he didn't seem to be playing well. Why was JJ treated any differently? We saw it against Arkansas, Georgia, and now Alabama. WTF?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:35 pm to DocBugbear
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The fact of the matter is that with JL at the helm we never had an extended period of time where we couldn't move the ball. In addition, Les showed no reservations about yanking him if he didn't seem to be playing well. Why was JJ treated any differently? We saw it against Arkansas, Georgia, and now Alabama. WTF?
I have no clue why the differance. That being said i hate to say it even though he wasn't on fire i don't think QB was the only issue in the ist half of Georgia or bama game. The oline was clearly dominated in both. All i can say its up to coaches. And i don't think we can say arkansas game was bad yes we fumbled and 1st quarter was slow but JJ did throw for 200+ and rush for 60-70 yards. But georgia game i am not sure nor for bama game
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:37 pm to Mr LSU2001
It is interesting how he was scouted as a Quarterback that could pick things up with his legs when the pass wasn't there, yet listening to Miles over the last 3 years it would seem Lee couldn't do it at all.
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