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What happened to the TD policy of whacking unconfirmed rumor threads
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:44 am
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:44 am
All that we know is that something went wrong - Neither the LSU AD nor the Head Coach has said anything to the fans or the media.
I know that fans suspect something and will wonder and discuss about the suspension but why should the following be allowed, especially since it is presuming a lot while
-accusing a player
-deriding the coaches
-insulting the whole program.
We don't know the actual reasons since it was never made public yet there is rampant acceptance of the rumors leading to
1. Whether it was synthetic ganja or natural.
2. First failed test or 5th failed test.
3. Making the assumption that all of them were caught smoking weed
4. Assuming that all of them failed the same test
We don't know if there was any fricking drug test at all!
If a player(s) was given a suspension you assume, rightly so, that something was not satisfactory and that he is paying the price for it by being reprimanded and not being allowed to play a game.
What gives people the presumptuous arrogance that they have the right to examine and judge a teenager's personal life.
The coach is there to do that at school and his parents are there to do it at home. The day they put out a public cry for help - you can climb back up on your high horses and give them a piece of your mind - till then talk about the other 100 who are going to play a game on Saturday.
I know that fans suspect something and will wonder and discuss about the suspension but why should the following be allowed, especially since it is presuming a lot while
-accusing a player
-deriding the coaches
-insulting the whole program.
We don't know the actual reasons since it was never made public yet there is rampant acceptance of the rumors leading to
1. Whether it was synthetic ganja or natural.
2. First failed test or 5th failed test.
3. Making the assumption that all of them were caught smoking weed
4. Assuming that all of them failed the same test
We don't know if there was any fricking drug test at all!
If a player(s) was given a suspension you assume, rightly so, that something was not satisfactory and that he is paying the price for it by being reprimanded and not being allowed to play a game.
What gives people the presumptuous arrogance that they have the right to examine and judge a teenager's personal life.
The coach is there to do that at school and his parents are there to do it at home. The day they put out a public cry for help - you can climb back up on your high horses and give them a piece of your mind - till then talk about the other 100 who are going to play a game on Saturday.
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:46 am to CalTiger
The espn sticky thread should be whacked IMO
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:53 am to CalTiger
They did plenty of wacking yesterday when the rumors starting surfacing.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:55 am to CalTiger
quote:
The coach is there to do that at school and his parents are there to do it at home. The day they put out a public cry for help - you can climb back up on your high horses and give them a piece of your mind - till then talk about the other 100 who are going to play a game on Saturday.
Well said. This was the whole deal with Jefferson and Shepard as well. Let's quit this.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:56 am to CalTiger
Agreed CalTiger
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:58 am to CalTiger
quote:
whacking unconfirmed rumor threads
If it weren't for rumor threads TD would cease to exist. Theres a difference between libel and rumors.
The engine of this site is rumors (just like this one) like it or not.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:59 am to CalTiger
Agreed 100% CalTiger.
Half the asshats on this board and a good majority of the local and national news media deserve to have their asses handed to them for spreading lies and character defamation.
Half the asshats on this board and a good majority of the local and national news media deserve to have their asses handed to them for spreading lies and character defamation.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:00 am to CalTiger
quote:
What gives people the presumptuous arrogance that they have the right to examine and judge a teenager's personal life.
When 100,000 people live, every week, and millions via television, radio and internet, focus nearly 100% of their attention for 3 months out of the year to a football team comprised of young men 18-23 - anything like this is going to be scrutinized.
The board admins here do a good job of balancing freedom of expression, with pure rumor-mongering. MANY threads were whacked until more reputable sources picked it up. Pardon the expression, but there is definitely smoke to this fire. What are we supposed to do -NOT talk about it on game week? Not talk about it in the 2 weeks prior to the Bama game?
You are aware this is a college (primarily football) sports message board? This isn't news to you, right Cal?
quote:
We don't know if there was any fricking drug test at all!
Now that's correct. I have been pumping the brakes on that one - we really have no idea - the reporting says "violation of drug policy", but it hasn't been confirmed and may never. Right now - we should remain in the speculation stage and not convict these kids of something they may not have done. Could be curfew, could be academic (though it would have to be very limited to avoid NCAA involvement), could be Twitter (how likely is that), but - there could be other things we're not thinking about.
However - if it were not drugs - someone from the university or Les could say, "This is not drug-related, or there is no indication it is at this time." See? Easy and it doesn't violate anybody's privacy rights. The silence is deafening.
quote:
. Whether it was synthetic ganja or natural.
2. First failed test or 5th failed test.
3. Making the assumption that all of them were caught smoking weed
4. Assuming that all of them failed the same test
Also correct - the more we delve into these topics, the more we're just talking out of our collective arses - that is a fair critique as well.
quote:
-accusing a player
-deriding the coaches
-insulting the whole program.
Also fair - we all need to continue to pump the brakes and allow the system some time and space in which to operate.
This post was edited on 10/20/11 at 10:02 am
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:02 am to Ace Midnight
Agreed
Delete the espn rumor thread stickied up top
Delete the espn rumor thread stickied up top
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:04 am to CalTiger
Well done sir, EPSN got the whack <meh unstickied only>!
ETA: whack changed to unsticked.
ETA: whack changed to unsticked.
This post was edited on 10/20/11 at 10:12 am
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:04 am to W
All in
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:08 am to TheDoc
ALL IN!
Now to the FCC to pick off ESPN, WWL, the Daily Revielle and anyone else spreading unfair/biased reporting.
Now to the FCC to pick off ESPN, WWL, the Daily Revielle and anyone else spreading unfair/biased reporting.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:13 am to TheDoc
quote:We heard ya the first 3 times. :roll:
TheDoc
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:16 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
When 100,000 people live, every week, and millions via television, radio and internet, focus nearly 100% of their attention for 3 months out of the year to a football team comprised of young men 18-23 - anything like this is going to be scrutinized.
The board admins here do a good job of balancing freedom of expression, with pure rumor-mongering. MANY threads were whacked until more reputable sources picked it up. Pardon the expression, but there is definitely smoke to this fire. What are we supposed to do -NOT talk about it on game week? Not talk about it in the 2 weeks prior to the Bama game?
You are aware this is a college (primarily football) sports message board? This isn't news to you, right Cal?
I don't mind the intense scrutiny on the athletes and truth be told they revel in attention (maybe that is why they are prime time sportsmen).
The talk about suspensions and the effect on the team and games is fine for a sports board - but should we not curtail ourselves when it comes to actual accusations being thrown at these players when we don't know the truth?
You seem to agree with the clipping and toning down of the accusations as well.
We can talk about the loss of Mathieu at CB - but why hypothesize on whether it was ganja or cocaine!
Rant about change in secondary play and "woe is us" but that doesn't give the right to castigate Simon on his personal choices - he is paying the price for it from the folks to whom he is accountable.
Yes the Offense has to change and we can play select the RB game now but wondering (both on the Rant and SECr)about the nature of his violent playing and the roots being in drugs is just pure garbage unworthy of anyone let alone targeted at a 20 year old player.
quote:
Also fair - we all need to continue to pump the brakes and allow the system some time and space in which to operate.
Agree with you on that as well
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:25 am to CalTiger
What a crock! I am all for allowing random posters having rumor threads whacked. Good policy.
But are you seriously suggesting that this message board should not allow links to and comments to published reports by every sports media outlet in the nation?
Protection from unsubstantiated rumor is one thing. A collective let's put our head in sand and pretend it's not real is another.
These suspensions have been reported, even Miles spoke of internal discipline matter so did Bonnette. If you don't think that someone in the football program (player, trainer, someone in SID office) is the source for the specIfic reason of the suspensions, you live in some fantasy land.
But are you seriously suggesting that this message board should not allow links to and comments to published reports by every sports media outlet in the nation?
Protection from unsubstantiated rumor is one thing. A collective let's put our head in sand and pretend it's not real is another.
These suspensions have been reported, even Miles spoke of internal discipline matter so did Bonnette. If you don't think that someone in the football program (player, trainer, someone in SID office) is the source for the specIfic reason of the suspensions, you live in some fantasy land.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:27 am to CalTiger
hear, hear.
i agree.
i agree.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:29 am to NoGeaux
quote:
These suspensions have been reported
But unconfirmed
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:30 am to blackjackjackson
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:33 am to NoGeaux
quote:
But are you seriously suggesting that this message board should not allow links to and comments to published reports by every sports media outlet in the nation?
Protection from unsubstantiated rumor is one thing. A collective let's put our head in sand and pretend it's not real is another.
Did you even bother reading the post?
Discussing effect of suspensions is what happens in a football forum - but what the hell do you know about why they were suspended and why does it give you any right to poke and prod into their personal lives (and the mistakes they made in it).
The links are about suspension (the cause is always couched in clever legalese terms to prevent libel) - just throwing it out there for your staunch belief in media links -> ESPN reported Miles to Michigan and Chicago Tribune - Dewey Defeats Truman.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 10:33 am to TheDoc
quote:
But unconfirmed
WRONG!
There is a difference from an ON RECORD confirmation and an OFF THE RECORD confirmation.
Again you people are insane if you think media especially local media is gonna run with this if they don't have a source.
Not to mention someone as smart as Bonnette would have warned off local media if this was not true, he would have talked to Rabalais or ESPN ON the record and said look guys you have it waayyy wrong.
DO you people have any idea how the media works? Do you really think every report has an on the record source?
Geez.
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