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How much home can I afford?

Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:16 pm
Posted by vettegc
Livingston
Member since Dec 2006
495 posts
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:16 pm
estimated annual income ~ $92,000
savings ~ $30,000

single
cars paid for
have a property note ~$600 month
Thinking of buying a home?
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26574 posts
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:29 pm to
Get the downpayment up to $50,000 and then $250k.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12604 posts
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:45 pm to
Hey everyone, look at my annual income!
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26574 posts
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:49 pm to
Meh, I don't think that was his purpose. Seems like a legitimate question to me.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24124 posts
Posted on 10/16/11 at 5:14 pm to
quote:

Get the downpayment up to $50,000 and then $250k.



Whats your basis for this advice?

Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27816 posts
Posted on 10/16/11 at 5:16 pm to
since you're single, I wouldn't want to be tied down with a home in case opportunities came up. But you can afford anywhere from 200 - 300K depending on your other monthly payments.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24124 posts
Posted on 10/16/11 at 5:24 pm to
He can probably afford a 200k house on a 15/yr note.

Using my budget calculator, he has roughly ~$5,800 available to him each month AFTER taxes.

Much of what he can afford depends on where he is living. If he is in a fairly lost cost of living state, then $6k a month for one person is ridiculous.

He could stink $2500 into his house payment if he wants and still live very comfortably without pinching pennies.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26574 posts
Posted on 10/16/11 at 11:40 pm to
My basis is:

$50,000 in cash to get the downpayment to 20%.

Then I have him financing $200,000 at 4.5 percent interest for a 30 year mortgage.

That's $1,013 a month.

His monthly income is $7670 a month, which is, as you said, about $5800 a month after taxes.

So the $1,000 monthly note is quite affordable, as it comes out to about 17% of his take-home pay.

I think he could afford more, but this is quite a comfortable level.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24124 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 12:13 am to
Thanks for putting pen to paper on what the payment would be.

If a 200k house fits his needs, I would considering putting a 15 year note. While the benefits of a 30 year mortgage can be argued from a tax and investment perspective, this is a scenario where being free and clear would outweigh the potential financial benefit, IMO.

As I have mentioned on this board, I am fairly risk averse, hence this stance. I imagine some would approach the decision from a purely financial perspective that would impact their decision.
Posted by thedogman
Member since Dec 2008
2241 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 3:06 pm to
Why not get the 30 year and pay it off in 15? That way if he loses his job he can fall back on the lower payment of the 30 year loan.
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 10/17/11 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

So the $1,000 monthly note is quite affordable, as it comes out to about 17% of his take-home pay.

I think he could afford more, but this is quite a comfortable level.


This is good advice. Don't fall into the trap of spending too much on a house. You won't get as much enjoyment out of it if it's 40-50% of take home. The extra $$$ is very nice to invest, go on trips, etc. JMHO.
Posted by vettegc
Livingston
Member since Dec 2006
495 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 2:44 am to
Thanks for the replies! So what if I only want to stay in the house a couple years? Same advice? I was hoping to find something undervalued in the down market and being able to sell later? Oh and this would be in Baton Rouge or close by. Eventually I'd like to build on my property but I'm not ready to build my final home yet.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26574 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 6:18 am to
quote:

Thanks for the replies! So what if I only want to stay in the house a couple years? Same advice? I was hoping to find something undervalued in the down market and being able to sell later?


Well now you are out of my scope of knowledge, as I have no clue what the housing market will be like in a couple years. Being risk averse as well, I'd just rent most likely if this were the case.

That being said, just know that the houses that resell the most quickly are the ones that are similarly priced to others in the neighborhood. Just very generally speaking, it's going to be easier to sell a 250k house. Like I said though, I would never plan to do something like you are doing.

Best of luck
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25397 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 7:55 am to
92000yr / 12months x .28 (28% of income) = 2146 is the most you spend a month on your house note, including taxes and insurance.

With that $600 note plus all the new expenses that arise from home ownership, might want to stay around 2k a month. At today's rate

30 yr around 4% 375k
15 yr around 3.5% 270k

Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24124 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

92000yr / 12months x .28 (28% of income)


I would not consider his gross income as the important metric. His take-home is the important metric.

Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24124 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:09 pm to
I would rent if you don't want to stay in the house very long. Flipping a house right now is a dangerous business.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13652 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

So what if I only want to stay in the house a couple years?


Rent. I was lucky enough to sell my house after living in it for 2.5 years for about the same as I bought it for. Still lost money due to realtor fees. And consider cost of ownership (not only the obvious such as taxes, insurance, etc.) but other things you need to buy (blinds/curtains, lawnmower, weedeater, etc.).
Posted by W
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
6100 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 12:56 pm to
Buy a home that fits your needs instead of buying what you think will impress the OT/society.

Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25397 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

I would not consider his gross income as the important metric. His take-home is the important metric.


28% -- The Housing Ratio

According to the Federal Fannie Mae guidelines, a client should be spending no more than 28% of monthly income for housing payments. The 28% Housing Ratio is calculated by taking 28% of the borrower's gross monthly income (e.g. $50,000 a year = $4166 per month X 28% = $1166).

Mortgage 101
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 1:23 pm to
Take home is more accurate for several reasons, including variations in state income tax, employee contributions to health insurance, etc. All of those things on your pay stub that vary by location, place of employment, etc. I would even include 401k money in this as well, since contributions at least up to the match are darn near automatic.
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