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is it fair to hold OU's past against them?
Posted on 10/7/11 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 10/7/11 at 2:54 pm
**admins, im not sure which board this belongs on, so i will leave it yalls judgement to move it if necessary**
im not a fan of BCS doomsday scenarios, but i find this one interesting. lets say for hypothetical purposes, OU wins out, finishes 12-0 with a big win over 11-1 okie st, and say florida st finishes a disappointing 7-5, mostly with the backup QB. lets say wisconsin runs away with the B1G title, as i believe they will, and finish 13-0. and finally, the winner of nov.5th wins out and finishes as the SEC champ, 13-0.
so we have an undefeated SEC school- LSU or bama- and an undefeated OU and wisonsin. obviously, the SEC winner is in, but someones getting left out.
is it fair to say, "listen, weve already seen elite OU teams run through their schedule, score 50 on everyone, then only score 14 points against the SEC in a losing effort" ?? is it fair to hold 03 and 08 against these kids who werent responsible for previous teams losing efforts? is it fair to think wisonsin deserves a shot as new blood against the SEC elite?
my only dog in the fight is in the nov. 5th showdown, so i dont really care which non SEC team gets in. though, part of says OU as gotten 3 tries at this- 03/04/08- and hasnt gotten it done on the big stage. what do yall say?
i know, tl;dr. haha, we get it...
im not a fan of BCS doomsday scenarios, but i find this one interesting. lets say for hypothetical purposes, OU wins out, finishes 12-0 with a big win over 11-1 okie st, and say florida st finishes a disappointing 7-5, mostly with the backup QB. lets say wisconsin runs away with the B1G title, as i believe they will, and finish 13-0. and finally, the winner of nov.5th wins out and finishes as the SEC champ, 13-0.
so we have an undefeated SEC school- LSU or bama- and an undefeated OU and wisonsin. obviously, the SEC winner is in, but someones getting left out.
is it fair to say, "listen, weve already seen elite OU teams run through their schedule, score 50 on everyone, then only score 14 points against the SEC in a losing effort" ?? is it fair to hold 03 and 08 against these kids who werent responsible for previous teams losing efforts? is it fair to think wisonsin deserves a shot as new blood against the SEC elite?
my only dog in the fight is in the nov. 5th showdown, so i dont really care which non SEC team gets in. though, part of says OU as gotten 3 tries at this- 03/04/08- and hasnt gotten it done on the big stage. what do yall say?
i know, tl;dr. haha, we get it...
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Posted on 10/7/11 at 2:59 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
I think voters would rather give Wisconsin a chance but it depends on the computers.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:12 pm to KingHippo
i give credit to OU for scheduling a tough OOC opponent in FSU- though i dont think they are that great- and i hate that wisconsin played a bunch of tomato cans-- but i would rather see wisky in the NC game over OU
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:17 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
No. It is stupid, unfair, and unethical in my opinion to leave out OU for something another team with other players did. Whichever is the more impressive team this year should go - basically whoever played the tougher schedule.
It would likely be a close call no matter though. OU played FSU out of schedule, but Wisconsin has a Big10 championship game.
It would likely be a close call no matter though. OU played FSU out of schedule, but Wisconsin has a Big10 championship game.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:23 pm to lsumatt
quote:couldnt be argued the last 3 big XII champions havent been able to beat SEC foes? maybe that road isnt as tough despite rankings?
- basically whoever played the tougher schedule.
EDT: the last being 09 UT, 08 OU, 03 OU.
i guess you can make an equal argument the B1G isnt particularly strong in the championship games, either
This post was edited on 10/7/11 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:26 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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couldnt be argued the last 3 big XII champions havent been able to beat SEC foes? maybe that road isnt as tough despite rankings?
No. And who says the Big10 champ was good enough those years? And even so, those were DIFFERENT TEAMS in a different year.
The computers are objective and fair. If they all say Oklahoma played a tougher schedule, they deserve it more.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:26 pm to lsumatt
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No. It is stupid, unfair, and unethical in my opinion to leave out OU for something another team with other players did. Whichever is the more impressive team this year should go - basically whoever played the tougher schedule.
Well if that is unfair, then it is unfair to give SEC teams any credit for having won 5 NC's in a row. So LSU and Bama should not get in automatically either. Therefore, every season the big east and SEC start off evenly matched. Sorry, that's not fair either. If all three go unbeaten...let Wisky in.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:30 pm to lsumatt
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No. It is stupid, unfair, and unethical in my opinion to leave out OU for something another team with other players did. Whichever is the more impressive team this year should go - basically whoever played the tougher schedule.
+million
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:30 pm to tigerbait4444
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Well if that is unfair, then it is unfair to give SEC teams any credit for having won 5 NC's in a row. So LSU and Bama should not get in automatically either. Therefore, every season the big east and SEC start off evenly matched.
I agree.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:31 pm to tigerbait4444
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Well if that is unfair, then it is unfair to give SEC teams any credit for having won 5 NC's in a row. So LSU and Bama should not get in automatically either. Therefore, every season the big east and SEC start off evenly matched. Sorry, that's not fair either.
I never said it would be fair and the SEC should NOT get an automatic pass.
However, unless things really go a rye, LSU or Alabama will easily have accomplished more than OU or Wisconsin. Both played quality OOC opponents (Wisky does not), both play a CG game (OU does not), and the SEC is currently 27-4 OOC (much better than the Big 10).
So when the dust settles and you evaluate the 3 undefeated teams, LSU/Bama will easily be the most deserving followed by either OU or Wisky - irrespective of previous years performance.
This post was edited on 10/7/11 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:31 pm to tigerbait4444
computers always love OU. legit OOC schedule and respectable conference schedule.
right now the only two ranked teams on wisconsin's schedule are nebraska and illinois.
i don't see how you could put an undefeated wisconsin in over oklahoma.
right now the only two ranked teams on wisconsin's schedule are nebraska and illinois.
i don't see how you could put an undefeated wisconsin in over oklahoma.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:33 pm to theOG
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the only two ranked teams on wisconsin's schedule are nebraska and illinois.
and probably a top 15 opponent in the Big 10 CG
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:35 pm to lsumatt
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and probably a top 15 opponent in the Big 10 CG
And this might be the year that the Big 10 gets the nod over the Big 12 because of the B1G championship game, and lackthereof for the B12.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:35 pm to lsumatt
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I never said it would be fair and the SEC should NOT get an automatic pass.
BS. Your telling me that if an SEC team that played cupcake ooc teams went undefeated you wouldn't complain if they didn't get in? And OOC records mean nothing, because they count cupcake teams. Therefore if I play three horrible teams I come up with a 3-0 record, that is very misleading.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:37 pm to lsumatt
fair enough. for OU to be undefeated they will have beaten okstate(6), texas (11), kstate (20), a&m (24), and baylor (25).
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:38 pm to tigerbait4444
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Your telling me that if an SEC team that played cupcake ooc teams went undefeated you wouldn't complain if they didn't get in?
If an SEC team played bad OOC teams AND their conference schedule was weak (i.e. the SEC sucked as a whole OOC) then no I would not complain. Absolutely not. The 2 teams with toughest OVERALL schedule should go.
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And OOC records mean nothing, because they count cupcake teams.
The computer polls rank your schedule with respect to the quality of those OOC opponents.
This post was edited on 10/7/11 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:40 pm to lsumatt
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and probably a top 15 opponent in the Big 10 CG
yes, tho it will likely be a 2-3 loss team in either nebraska or michigan (and in beating them they probably drop them down a bit)
people looking to bash them for schedule strength will be able to make that argument IMO
I think Wiscy is very very good this year FWIW - but they don't play a schedule all that much more difficult than Boise this year
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:41 pm to molsusports
well said.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:45 pm to lsumatt
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The computers are objective and fair.
They're not independent omnipotent beings; they're an algorithm...the CPU's only pump out what humans put into them. And they don't watch the games btw in case you actually think the eyeball test still counts.
This post was edited on 10/7/11 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 10/7/11 at 3:47 pm to theOG
i find it funny both teams- wisky and OU have a reputation for pouring it on for style points. expect both to put their foot on the floor in the 2nd half of games the rest of the way...
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